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I’m curious as to this as well.
The P1 replacement and 720S replacement can’t have that much between them, performance wise, unless Mclaren really has some tricks up their sleeve. Tire tech already is what holds the 765/P1 back. Only so much power can be put to the ground at low speeds.

I think both will be spectacular.

Well, what if the P1 went retro. with a manual. And 3 seat layout. And truly limited output. Like the T50.

 

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I agree. Sucks a lot of appeal out of the car. Honestly, the entire exotic industry is boring as shit lately. Everything seems stale and old already. Stuff is coming and going without even the slightest bit of fanfare, or at least that's how it seems. SF90 was the Ferrari flagship and I honestly couldn't even tell you if the car has been tested on a track yet or any magazines. I'm not even sure when the car even came out anymore.

you know what’s kind of crazy? Corvette has been doing it right. Fanfare and timely releases. Not exotic, but weirdly well managed.

 

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well there is a SF90 spider now...
i think it will be >2 years between ordering the 812CA and the Daytona SP3 before getting the car. I get it when it comes to say a Koenigsegg or a GMA T50/T33 but for mainstream manufacturers it is looking more like Elon Musks forecasts of FSD...

good fanfare by gma. Will be amazing when they finally release customer cars, but I suspect it will have been more than 1 year after the reveal, no? And Koenigsegg seems to always take more than a year from announcement to delivery, but perhaps that’s just my perception? Time has really gotten warped in the last 2+ years.

 

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Feel sorry for Artura owners. McLaren OEM Pirelli tires have generally sucked compared to other offerings, particularly Michelin. Hopefully the OEM tires on the Artura changes that, but I'd be surprised.

Also, I think there are laws in the US that might trump McLaren and others from limiting warranty work for using different tires.

 

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So far the stock pirellis are significantly better than the new Michelins I just had installed on the 765. I’m spinning like crazy.

That's great to hear! Glad good rubber is finally a default. What is the stock Pirelli and what are you comparing to? PZeros to PS4S?

 

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Yeah, I have found the same thing, I actually lost traction with my old 12C with Michelin PSC2's. Michelins don't seem to grip on the street as well as the Pirellis. My go-to tire has always been the R888R, but I may want to try the Nitto NT01's out back for quietness. I just don't know how it's going to be possible with the Artura. I hope there's a way to toggle to regular TPMS sensors.

i use the ps4s, and they absolutely destroyed the pzeros that came with the car, but I have heard pirelli reformulated the pzeros. I would imagine the psc2 might be a bit finicky if cold.

anyway, if more people have been feeling the new pirellis pzeros are better than the ps4s, I’m going to give them a try. I probably have another 6 months before to need to update them.

 

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George Farquhar (VIP Relations Manager at McLaren Automotive): "Amazing day behind the wheel of the new McLaren Artura as we get ready to deliver the first customer cars. As our first V6 plug-in hybrid, it ushers in a whole new era of technology and is one of the most significant cars we’ve ever made. Congratulations to all those colleagues involved in getting us to this point. It’s an incredible car!" http://instagr.am/p/CewlTR2qkyr/
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That car looks fantastic!

 

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The statement about the software is not so wrong. Software can control things correctly or not so correctly, and can also react incorrectly to unusual circumstances. An insufficient software brings down big airplanes...

Yea or can magically give us 19 more HP. Not sure how that translates to bursting into flames. There is some chance they are overstating it to cover more ills.

However, I generally give McLaren the benefit of the doubt (except for their consistently horrendous marketing gaffes).

Particularly with the completely new ethernet wiring. If some cooling pump is glitching and not working because of some new software networking issue, I guess bad things can easily happen. If ever there was a time to give McLaren some slack, IMO, it's here.

It is not a 'little' change to go to the full ethernet harness. IMO, it's actually quite brave and innovative. These teething pains are going to really turn to a lot of long term gains in more than just harness weight/complexity. I hope they can nuke a lot of dumb ECUs for their own more central in-house stack. Which will also make them eventually less reliant on supply chain problems.

 

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challenge accepted

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So who uses their exotics for everything? Post your photos here!

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Correct me if I am wrong, a major update like this is probably done at service bay. OTA updates are new to all non-startup car makers and I am sure they can’t handle major updates like this one. An example is Porsche Taycan that recently just received a major software update that must be done at dealer, usually taking upwards of 2 days.

I think Tesla have been doing major OTA updates for quite some time, but I may be misunderstanding it. Honda has started, but not sure if it's limited to the infotainment or to other parts of the car.

 

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If McLaren has really get to grips with the problems, I'm convinced that the Artura will be a success. Because the car seems to me to be much too good to be a failure. And on the other hand, the entire industry is struggling to bring their vehicles to market on time, McLaren is not really an exception. Let's be honest, is there a real competitor to the Artura? And no, I don't see the 296GTB as an Artura competitor...

The Acura NSX type S. If I were getting a hybrid, I could see being tempted by the Acura if I could actually get a hold of one.

Oddly the NSX will likely be far more special and rare than the artura. And I suspect the complicated hybrid stuff will be a lot more reliable on the Honda side. It’s also cheaper. Then again it has a lot less horsepower and no carbon tub.

But a lot of people on this forum crapped all over the nsx for its “hybrid“ness, but now it’s completely different when I do it….

Anyway, with the NSX on the low end, 296 on the high end, the artura may be in the “just right” zone.

 

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of course the most respected car magazine in the UK and the same in Germany has no idea what they are talking about. So silly of me, we should just follow your subjective impressions from a short test drive..
if one test shows an unexpected result, i more than anyone can count that to the driver, the tyres, the outside temperature, tyre temp, track temp etc etc. but when several respected ones comes to the same conclusion maybe there is something to it.

I dont respect Evo. Their reviews of 12c were crap. You may well be right about them being the most respected, but there are many popular things I do not respect.

Furthermore, there is the driver, and weather, and tires, they should all be like for like. Further, Ferrari is famous for cheating on reviews with special cars.

All THAT said, I agree, there must be something to it and what youre driving at. Frankly, on your word alone, I take it seriously, because you and your opinion, unlike Evo, I do very much do respect. The short track probably has something to do with it, but maybe this gets to Chris Harris' early panning of the 765, and tweaks they made since? Or maybe the Pista punches way higher than many suspect.

Curious what you think about why it does so almost freakishly well on that track and why the 765 seems to be kind of poop there?

 

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. (for the advanced course, you might want to ask what changed at mclaren between the development of the 720 and the 765...)

was that when they lost their test driver of many years that helped set up cars…?

 

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Per my dealer this morning, customer deliveries will begin in the US during October (thus confirming what others have posted). My November FOK date remains unchanged. Fingers firmly crossed.

Will be so great seeing these out in owners hands and on the road! Do you mind sharing what color you got @Superfluous ? Hope you have tons of fun with it!

 

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Belize Blue. This is my car from the McLaren configurator:

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Wow, that looks amazing! Congrats!

 

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I read quite a few pages in this thread and I find it quite funny that people see the Artura as being high sought after. Porsche GT's, Ferrari and Lamborghini have their order books slammed for years to come. The Artura should have a massive backlog of Sport Series customers with deposits for their first 2 years of production, rather the two local dealer I called said I can get an early allocation... never bought a McLaren before I'm sure McLaren will move Artura's but It think McLaren lost a lot of ground to the competition since 2020. For this reason I have a 2022 EVO RWD Spyder in my garage but I do lust after a 765LT Spyder. I'd also like to experience the Artura to see how engaging the hybrid system is as all automakers are going in this direction.

Are you comparing the EVO to the 570? If so, I see that as a win. But fair enough, and the EVO is a lovely car. My buddy has one in a gorgeous electric blue. He likes it too.

 

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Back in 2020 I was looking to order a 600LT but McLaren had a lot of production issues and I ended up ordering a 2022 EVO RWD Spyder instead. I absolutely love the Lamborghini but I'm curious to drive my dealers Artura demo to see how well the V6TT Hybrid manages its power and just the general drivetrain. I'm also curious to see how engaging the car will be with the V6TT compared to the McLaren V8TT's of past. Its too bad that McLaren botched the launch of the Artura as there is no hype in the car community and nobody is scrambling to get allocations like they are with the other auto makers.

Agree on the botch. I do not know about the demand. And demand is a relative thing. Will be different for mclaren. They have a different demand curve, and deal with customers in a different way from Ferrari/Lambo. Luckily to be 'good enough' the bar is lower for them.

That said, despite the botched press launch, what makes me feel good are 2 things. So far, the customer test have been really well received. Better than the 570 IMO, and that's great! Also, Mclaren shoots about 50/50 in picking a great vs awful launch color. I've seen some videos of the Artura in some blue, and it is STUNNING, vs the other colors they are showing at launch where it kind of looks meh. So despite the craptacular (per McLaren usual) marketing at launch, I think this car is going to be a hell of a hit. It seems pretty spectacular for a base model.

I would doubt, your having an EVO, that you'll find this as exciting as this is the base. The LT version of this probably would be more in line with your EVO. The point of this car is more to handle daily driver duties than track duties. That said, the reports for this car is it's a bit a Jekyll 'OR' Hyde personality. On the road it's very tame, but apparently on track it gets really great an aggressive. The problem is if youre only testing it on the road, it wont progressively turn from one to the other where you'll get that feel, so it will seem even more muted. Anyway, that's my read from the early reports.

Of course you should try it and make up your own mind on it.

 

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Looks fantastic in that silver.

 

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Get used to that dash/screen, binnacles and wheel...you’ll be seeing a lot more of that in the coming months/years

The Artura is a big step up from the 570 and I think people will be pleased with it. The v6 is very good and the tq fill is awesome. It’s still traditional McLaren...just better. I’m not a hybrid person...but this makes me want a hybrid for the full 720 replacement!! Even a v6!! (Can’t believe I uttered those words, LOL)

It's a hard pass for me on any hybrid, but I'm excited to see youre so excited by it and that it's turned you around on it. Seems like McLaren knocked it out of the park (and as always, their marketing Dept apparently staffed by the Mets, Jets, and Rutgers Football...made their initial appearance less than it should have been).

In the end, it's only the owners opinions that matter.

As for the binnacle. It's not offensive. The touch controls look interesting, but that the binnacle moves with the wheel seems like it could be annoying to line up the sight correctly. As long as it lines up ok, it's fine. But cannot say I'm a fan. Looks serviceable.

I'll take the 750 not because of it, it's kind of a meh. I would hope they have something more custom, better for the true 720 replacement, when that comes.

 

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That binnacle does not work for me as the steering wheel gets in the line of sight. If you have a long back or a short one you can't fully see the screen.......and of course can't move the wheel out of the way as the binnacle is attached.

The reason is so your fingers always reach the mode rocker switches , on either side......well attach them behind the wheel. !!!

It’s so weird to me that they tout this as aiding the line of sight when it’s obvious it messes with the line of sight.