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I think McLaren will be just fine. Artura demos will be out in early summer and I think the car will be very impressive. Customer deliveries shortly thereafter. GT’s are selling well...765’s are back on track...P1 replacement unveil this year...I don’t think they are hugely concerned with the 720 replacement at the moment...I’d expect to hear more about that next year. Again...what (even after 5 years) competes with a 720s at that price point? Nothing.
McLaren rarely ‘under’ delivers. What they’ve done in 10 years is pretty insane. Hats off to them. Now they just need to sort out their marketing tactics because they’ve been less than stellar. With the products they sell...marketing should be the easiest part of the process. MTC is busy and running at nearly full steam...at least the assembly line sure looked that way 4 days ago when I was there.
McLaren rarely ‘under’ delivers. What they’ve done in 10 years is pretty insane. Hats off to them. Now they just need to sort out their marketing tactics because they’ve been less than stellar. With the products they sell...marketing should be the easiest part of the process. MTC is busy and running at nearly full steam...at least the assembly line sure looked that way 4 days ago when I was there.
I can only pass along what I was told at the factory. Expect an announcement in Q3/Q4. They seemed much less concerned about the 720 replacement because there are still very few cars that can compete with it. I’m not saying they aren’t working on it...but it didn’t seem their top priority from my conversations. Time will tell I guess...Pebble should have a ‘fun’ unveil of something for the track and ultra ultra limited.
I’d wager quite a bit that the 720 replacement will be a hybrid v8 and it’ll be very impressive.
I think the Artura will match up quite nicely against the 296. It’s going to be a lot lighter I think and now that Ferrari has shown their hand I’m sure McLaren are paying attention because it’s big deal for them brand wise. I think the Artura will give a 720 a run for its money down low...perhaps up to 60mph. Instant torque and probably much improved launch control will make it a monster down low.
I could be wrong but I still think McLaren are sticking to the ethos of ‘We are not in a HP war, but rather a weight war.’ AWD/4WD makes that very hard. I don’t know how they’ll put 1000++hp to the ground in the P1 replacement but I have a feeling it’ll be 2wd. We’ll see...They are a road racing company after all...not an NHRA drag team. I know stats sell...but on track weight matters more.
The bigger question is when does all this fun stop? The performance envelopes we are seeing are truly insane...way too much for the average consumer to handle.
I think the Artura will match up quite nicely against the 296. It’s going to be a lot lighter I think and now that Ferrari has shown their hand I’m sure McLaren are paying attention because it’s big deal for them brand wise. I think the Artura will give a 720 a run for its money down low...perhaps up to 60mph. Instant torque and probably much improved launch control will make it a monster down low.
I could be wrong but I still think McLaren are sticking to the ethos of ‘We are not in a HP war, but rather a weight war.’ AWD/4WD makes that very hard. I don’t know how they’ll put 1000++hp to the ground in the P1 replacement but I have a feeling it’ll be 2wd. We’ll see...They are a road racing company after all...not an NHRA drag team. I know stats sell...but on track weight matters more.
The bigger question is when does all this fun stop? The performance envelopes we are seeing are truly insane...way too much for the average consumer to handle.
I think the point still stands and holds up very well. It doesn’t mean they won’t increase power. I think the point is...anyone can make power...but few companies are genuinely interested in keeping weight down because it’s expensive. They take the easier route of letting them get porkier but adding power and electronics to make them more manageable. In the current environment I can’t think of a manufacturer doing a better job with weight saving than McLaren. Unless you get into GMA or boutique stuff...hmm, 458 570bhp, 650 well 650
458 speciale, 610 bhp, 675LT well 675
488 660 bhp, 720 well 720
488 pista 720 bhp, 765LT...
sure mclaren has never been in the BHP war...AND some of the Ferrari numbers might have been optimistic while the mclaren ones were conservative..
Weight matter more everywhere not only on the track, acceleration, cornering, braking
We don’t have them yet in the US but I bet that Yaris is loads of fun to drive...I’ve heard many good things about them. I always wanted a 90’s Civic Type R...
I sat in a new (apparently road ready car) at the factory recently. The new seats are very comfortable and the interior is an upgrade as well. In person the car looks and ‘feels’ very nice. I was impressed with it. The performance is supposed to be 720 esque under triple digits...and possibly quicker to 60mph with the hybrid LC and torque fill. I’m sure it won’t disappoint.
July/August is what I was told.
I think they’ve been in production for longer than a month because I was at MTC over a month ago and the line was full of Artura’s. I saw them drive one into the ‘rain’ booth for testing as well...The one I sat in was a full working car as well. I think you’ll start seeing running/drivable demos in July at dealers...Some maybe sooner...
I have a feeling performance wise this car is gonna sneak up on people. I thought it looked much better in person than in pics. Other than Elva seats which I think are by far McLaren's best seat, I think the Arturas are pretty comfy. The countdown begins...they’ll be in the road soon enough.
I have a feeling performance wise this car is gonna sneak up on people. I thought it looked much better in person than in pics. Other than Elva seats which I think are by far McLaren's best seat, I think the Arturas are pretty comfy. The countdown begins...they’ll be in the road soon enough.
I think this was a case of McLaren doing the right thing. Why put something out that isn’t ready...and it gave them 1 more year to tweak it and see what their competition is up to. Trust me people will forget about the wait time, IF the car is great and I think it will be. Besides what else in the $235-$300k market will compete with this? Not a Huracan. GT3’s are selling for $100k+ over MSRP...Point is...You can get one for MSRP...The wait will not likely hurt or diminish McLaren...but if they launched a car that wasn’t ready...that would be a disaster.
What IF this is right on the heels of a 296 for way less money and 150hp less as well? Sure Ferrari will sell all of them because they are Ferrari but it’ll also make McLaren shine even brighter at the same time.
The only way this hurts McLaren is if the car isn’t brilliant...but I have a feeling it’s going to exceed expectations. They’ve yet to make a truly bad car...and most of them are downright excellent. Lots of people will find out in June in Texas...then magazine reviews will shortly follow etc...Expect it to be a triumph for the brand and make people more excited about the future 720 replacement (after the refresh of course).
What IF this is right on the heels of a 296 for way less money and 150hp less as well? Sure Ferrari will sell all of them because they are Ferrari but it’ll also make McLaren shine even brighter at the same time.
The only way this hurts McLaren is if the car isn’t brilliant...but I have a feeling it’s going to exceed expectations. They’ve yet to make a truly bad car...and most of them are downright excellent. Lots of people will find out in June in Texas...then magazine reviews will shortly follow etc...Expect it to be a triumph for the brand and make people more excited about the future 720 replacement (after the refresh of course).
I think the reviews are generally pretty good except for the track day incident/oil cooler. Not cool.
Let’s be honest...McLaren has terrible marketing. They build incredible cars but have no idea how to market them. 600LT and Elva were horrendously marketed. Both great cars though.
Let’s be honest...McLaren has terrible marketing. They build incredible cars but have no idea how to market them. 600LT and Elva were horrendously marketed. Both great cars though.
Rumor is the electric/software issue has been resolved and cars are finishing their final validation testing in the summer AZ heat. Many cars have been sitting in port for a year by now with some having flat spotted tires etc...BUT should be heading for delivery soon...We’ll see if that’s the truth or not sooner enough...
There is a ton of interest in the Arthura...most dealer allocations are sold out. It’s a great car...they got it right.
The 296 is nice...but the 750s non hybrid will spank it...why? Because McLaren knows it has to and the 765 already crushes the 296...so expect the 750 to do the same. Many people prefer full ICE these days and a carbon tub and a much lighter car. McLaren is at the top of its game in the under $1m bracket...Arturas will sell just fine...and the 750 will actually be a hard car to get. Not LT hard...but tough...
Interesting some of the comments...Look how far behind Porsche is with the GT3 deliveries and GM with the Z06...McLaren is just fine in that regard. But they could still use a big in flow of cash...People forget about Porsche’s issues 20+ years ago...GM getting a bailout...Lambo getting bought...and even Ferrari in the 1960’s. Point? McLaren...one way or another will be just fine.
The 296 is nice...but the 750s non hybrid will spank it...why? Because McLaren knows it has to and the 765 already crushes the 296...so expect the 750 to do the same. Many people prefer full ICE these days and a carbon tub and a much lighter car. McLaren is at the top of its game in the under $1m bracket...Arturas will sell just fine...and the 750 will actually be a hard car to get. Not LT hard...but tough...
Interesting some of the comments...Look how far behind Porsche is with the GT3 deliveries and GM with the Z06...McLaren is just fine in that regard. But they could still use a big in flow of cash...People forget about Porsche’s issues 20+ years ago...GM getting a bailout...Lambo getting bought...and even Ferrari in the 1960’s. Point? McLaren...one way or another will be just fine.
McLaren will be just fine. If not...then they’ll get bought out and still be fine.
Artura doesn’t compete with the 296. So no issues there. So far the Artura seems to be selling well. Not sure who would want a 296 over a 765. But to each their own. If an SF90 has its hand full with a 765 I’m sure the 150hp less 296 will get walked by a 765...esp on track.
The 750 will handle a 296...because McLaren knows it has to. Within their ‘class’ Historically Macs have outperformed Ferraris. But Ferrari has the name and they make a nice car. Then again 50% of their revenue comes from marketing. Good for them.
I’m continually impressed with how well Mac competes with (comparatively) how little they have to work with.
Artura doesn’t compete with the 296. So no issues there. So far the Artura seems to be selling well. Not sure who would want a 296 over a 765. But to each their own. If an SF90 has its hand full with a 765 I’m sure the 150hp less 296 will get walked by a 765...esp on track.
The 750 will handle a 296...because McLaren knows it has to. Within their ‘class’ Historically Macs have outperformed Ferraris. But Ferrari has the name and they make a nice car. Then again 50% of their revenue comes from marketing. Good for them.
I’m continually impressed with how well Mac competes with (comparatively) how little they have to work with.
This discussion is very disappointing, esp. coming from people I’d expect to ‘know better’ than to put any serious credibility on lap times done by magazines on different days, using different tires in very very different conditions.
Go to any F1 track the day after they race there...Then go to the same track after it rains. Then go in 60 degree weather versus a hot 95 degree summer day. Lap times will be worlds apart.
Variables everywhere. Put them in the same track, same day, same tires. Who do you have your money on? I know which horse I’d back...and it doesn’t ‘prance.’
Yes...cars to do get faster over the years...suspension improves, horsepower improves, transmissions improve, aero improves (look an F1 today versus 20 years ago) and of course tires have significantly improved. So to say the 720 is quicker on a track than a 765 (conditions being the same) is just garbage bs. The people that actually track these cars know this...Which is why certain peoples comments are so surprising. But you can always go buy some more magazines...
The 765 time of 1:26.09 from Laguna is quicker than a Senna has gone around there...So if Sudcliffes time in the 765 was quicker than the Senna’s would you believe the Senna is generally slower?
Here is 1:29 from a 720 at Laguna seca and a 1:26 for the 765. Guess the stars just lined up for that to happen...Btw...the driver who did the 1:29 in the 720 is as good as they come at Laguna Seca. @unmac can certainly attest to that...
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Go to any F1 track the day after they race there...Then go to the same track after it rains. Then go in 60 degree weather versus a hot 95 degree summer day. Lap times will be worlds apart.
Variables everywhere. Put them in the same track, same day, same tires. Who do you have your money on? I know which horse I’d back...and it doesn’t ‘prance.’
Yes...cars to do get faster over the years...suspension improves, horsepower improves, transmissions improve, aero improves (look an F1 today versus 20 years ago) and of course tires have significantly improved. So to say the 720 is quicker on a track than a 765 (conditions being the same) is just garbage bs. The people that actually track these cars know this...Which is why certain peoples comments are so surprising. But you can always go buy some more magazines...
The 765 time of 1:26.09 from Laguna is quicker than a Senna has gone around there...So if Sudcliffes time in the 765 was quicker than the Senna’s would you believe the Senna is generally slower?
Here is 1:29 from a 720 at Laguna seca and a 1:26 for the 765. Guess the stars just lined up for that to happen...Btw...the driver who did the 1:29 in the 720 is as good as they come at Laguna Seca. @unmac can certainly attest to that...
The Artura is a great car. The fit and finish is nice. The ergonomics are nice. The power delivery is linear. It’s very quick. Sounds good...not v10 good though! The sound system is also very good. The doors shut solidly. Overall I was very impressed. It also has over 100tq more and nearly 60-70hp more than an EVO...in the real world it likely weighs a lot less as well. Straight line it’ll probably dust off the Huracan...maybe not on the track...not sure yet...The tq down low is where you’ll notice it the most. Less visceral than the EVO I’m sure...but also more comfortable.I read quite a few pages in this thread and I find it quite funny that people see the Artura as being high sought after. Porsche GT's, Ferrari and Lamborghini have their order books slammed for years to come. The Artura should have a massive backlog of Sport Series customers with deposits for their first 2 years of production, rather the two local dealer I called said I can get an early allocation... never bought a McLaren beforeI'm sure McLaren will move Artura's but It think McLaren lost a lot of ground to the competition since 2020. For this reason I have a 2022 EVO RWD Spyder in my garage but I do lust after a 765LT Spyder. I'd also like to experience the Artura to see how engaging the hybrid system is as all automakers are going in this direction.
However. If you’re someone who only drives in Corsa mode then an LT car is more your thing. The Artura will be far too civilized for you. I was impressed by it...
Get used to that dash/screen, binnacles and wheel...you’ll be seeing a lot more of that in the coming months/years
The Artura is a big step up from the 570 and I think people will be pleased with it. The v6 is very good and the tq fill is awesome. It’s still traditional McLaren...just better. I’m not a hybrid person...but this makes me want a hybrid for the full 720 replacement!! Even a v6!! (Can’t believe I uttered those words, LOL)
The Artura is a big step up from the 570 and I think people will be pleased with it. The v6 is very good and the tq fill is awesome. It’s still traditional McLaren...just better. I’m not a hybrid person...but this makes me want a hybrid for the full 720 replacement!! Even a v6!! (Can’t believe I uttered those words, LOL)
“Conditioning Engine.’ You can’t just ‘start it’ and go using the gas engine. It ‘starts’ in EV mode and you have to wait until the conditioning engine light goes off then the gasoline engine starts and can be used. To be fair it takes less than 30 seconds most of the time. Apparently a new OTA update for US markets...Just an FYI...
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