have to say I got bored with evo when harris was there voting the Porsche at all costs and heh presto turns up in the 24h with Walter RohrlThis is exactly why automotive journalists come off as idiots. Racing IS TIRES. Gawd that's awful reporting.
Right. I bet they were too chicken sh!t to use the 458 as a benchmark, because Ferrari would go ape when the Porsche was faster in a non-sanctioned 'test'.It does sound great.
That said, It's weird in he was driving the Mac like a school girl, and then we saw the GT3 hitting curbs like a pinball. I wonder if the driver was more familiar with the 911, and somehow more tentative with the Mac. At least they (grudgingly) mention the difference in tires (yet downplaying it).
I have a hard time believing a driver pushing both cars wouldn't do better in the turns with the Mac. Even on a short/tight circuit. Good luck getting around a good driver on a turn once they put you behind on the straight when the cars are close in handling on the turns. I know a lot of guys here like EVO, but I think they suck balls and have a good track record of sucking balls. Same with the 458, so this doesn't surprise me.
Funny that the 458 "won" in their comparison, yet here they call the Mac the "standard benchmark." All positioning to bash the Mac to extract whatever result they want. Like much of the press, say anything to get eyeballs, sell to your sponsors and blow the right constituents. The story is a tool and not a truth. Anyway, enough of my tinfoil rants.
The GT3 looks like a fantastic car, and no doubt a good driver can push it to do great things. That it's a fantastic car is something that I think most folks can easily agree with.
Couldn't agree more, the 12C is that kind of car (bit like the GTR), it needs time and gets better all the time. By contrast, the 911 (any of them) is what it is, pretty much straight away, then just gets a little boring imho (I've owned 3 Inc a 996 Turbo).Me too.. I just don't think any do these journos take the time to really work the mac out.. It's strange, particularly for the British guys.
interesting Naranja.. .have never owned a turbo, but it was one car I would love to have loved, but I thought, aside of the Vanquish it was the most disappointing car I'd ever driven .. 996 or 997.. power band very narrow, low rev limit, all or nothing power delivery, (yes I know its a turbo but) and the suspension over an uneven road, as with all 'standard' suspension 911 I thought was just woeful.. turn in, non existent..Couldn't agree more, the 12C is that kind of car (bit like the GTR), it needs time and gets better all the time. By contrast, the 911 (any of them) is what it is, pretty much straight away, then just gets a little boring imho (I've owned 3 Inc a 996 Turbo).
The journo thing is also very true, I try not to get too bothered with negative press but obviously I want want to see 'my' choice do well, on the whole it does and I don't mind constructive comments. Autocar have every right to note that some trim has fallen off their long termer and that Doris is a bitch, as long as they keep it real.
And it does seem to be the Brit reporters that are the worst. The most hideous example I can think of was Plato and Needle on the 5th gear classic.
But we're a bit like that aren't we!
I was given to believe tyre grip really is the limiting factor for braking and not any intrinsic advantage ceramic stoppers have over steels though and while ceramics might resist fade better, if one is seriously tracking the car, you are going to be going through the ceramic discs very quickly indeed and those discs are frightfully expensive......i just really wish the car standard with Corsa tires and CCB. i actually regret now that i have taken the car to the track not speccing the CCB
Hey ISV.I still think you guys are pretty hard on Evo.. although they do come across at times as Porsche shills, Porsche have likewise made some awfully good cars as well over the years. They would I admit come across a lot better admitting upfront the (massive) advantage the Dunlop sport max tyres had over the standard P0s though. Car reviews are by nature quite subjective and surely we don't really need validation of the 12c over every other car. The 12c has picked up quite a few 5 star ratings from evo over the last few issues and if they still carp on some respect of the car relative to say the R8 V10 plus (which was a surprise) or the gt3 (less of a surprise), overall they have still always stated the 12c is a bloody good car.
Agreed with Mikeyb above though, the 997 turbo s I tried was really a bit meh.. got to warp speed very quickly indeed and had absolutely brilliant ceramic brakes but that was about it and to be honest the 997.2 standard carrera I drove a few weeks before actually felt rather a lot more fun and alive to drive and I wasn't terribly impressed by that one already. Raw performance is definitely going down the list of things I find important in a car and to be honest I am never sure why anyone would get a turbo over a gt3 of any kind.