[Bankai]

Pre-Covid this is very accurate. Those of us that owned a 12C, 650s or an early 720s can confirm that the depreciation was very steep and more than Ferrari or Lamborghini. I try not to add up how much I lost on those cars. In comparison to the 458, 488 or huracan I’ve had, I did not lose anywhere close to what I did on mclarens. However that was pre-Covid. The entire market changed and almost every car appreciated. Mclaren has done much better since Covid and the depreciation is now at a normal pace and on par with others (for new models). The 765lt has set the bar for performance and is still holding value extremely well.

I agree with this, for the most part. The 720s is still getting hit with that awful initial depreciation, but otherwise, the COVID market has changed things, for the time being.

 

[BIG_DJE]

i have a spider so not sure about roof scoop and back view

Never sat in one with a scoop, but from pics, looks like you are losing some visibility out the rear window - any truth to that ? Compromise if so.

 

[invisiblewave]

Loudest mouth? I said 1 thing, and you got your panties in a bunch, and immediately jumped to name calling.

And failed to show any statistical data to back up his assertions.

 

[alexceres]

This is patently false.

Take a look at prices of cars before the pandemic when things were “normal”. V12 Ferraris, Porsche Turbo, Aventadors and Huracans, most Aston’s- The depreciation was basically the same as Mclaren.

pre-pandemic, go look at the other car forums and see what people were saying at the time. Exactly the same bitching about how steep the depreciation was on the "not special" cars. Exactly the same types of guys making exactly the same complaints.

 

[alexceres]

Denial is also a river in Egypt.... This was the first article that popped up, there are plenty of others that offer stats.

The 10 fastest depreciating modern supercars | GRR

With cars from Porsche, Lamborghini, Ferrari, McLaren and Aston Martin…

www.goodwood.com

my read of that article is it will cost 14% depreciation on a gt3 vs 22% on a 720, so an 8% hit and 10,000% worth it. If I wanted to save the 8% I'd buy Ferrari. No, not the stupid cars. RACE.

That article doesn't include ADM. Total deprecation from transacting sales price with the gt3 is way WAY higher in the states. At the time I bailed from the GT game, my dealer wants more than $100K ADM on a $200K car. Sure, those cars can be sold at or above MSRP and the 720 can't come even close. But the $100K hit is actually about the same. When you consider the gt3 is barely a $200K car and the 720 a $350K car that's hilarious.

 

[shadowfax]

Bankai- Which model Mclaren do you own?

I believe it is an earlier model commonly referred to as Shanks Pony.

 

[LRHunter]

Speaking of ridiculous ADM, I tried to get a Demon 170, but no way was I going to pay over MSRP. Several dealers I talked to all said they had offers of $200k over.

I think people have lost their minds. $300k for a Dodge Demon? LOL!

 

[gsxrian]

Speaking of ridiculous ADM, I tried to get a Demon 170, but no way was I going to pay over MSRP. Several dealers I talked to all said they had offers of $200k over.

I think people have lost their minds. $300k for a Dodge Demon? LOL!

I briefly considered ordering one, but ran into the same $200k ADM issue..... no thanks!

 

[Jo_sta7]

This is an amusing thread. The 765 is the only car I’ve ever had, and I’ve had a lot, that doesn’t make me lust for any other. Should trade hands at $800-1mm. It’s levels above anything in performance. SF90 is close but the joy of driving something that weighs 3000 pounds versus 3750 pounds can’t be overstated. Give it time. Long term the specialness will be appreciated as everything becomes more complicated and sterile.

 

[invisiblewave]

This is an amusing thread. The 765 is the only car I’ve ever had, and I’ve had a lot, that doesn’t make me lust for any other. Should trade hands at $800-1mm. It’s levels above anything in performance. SF90 is close but the joy of driving something that weighs 3000 pounds versus 3750 pounds can’t be overstated. Give it time. Long term the specialness will be appreciated as everything becomes more complicated and sterile.

I agree. It's surprising to me that they've dropped in value, but I suspect this will be temporary. It's also the only other car I have lust for, I might switch at some point to a 720, but it doesn't stir my feelings the way the 765 does. I don't think there's much doubt that it's the pinnacle of the ICE cars, it's likely all downhill from here.

 

[gsxrian]

This is an amusing thread. The 765 is the only car I’ve ever had, and I’ve had a lot, that doesn’t make me lust for any other. Should trade hands at $800-1mm. It’s levels above anything in performance. SF90 is close but the joy of driving something that weighs 3000 pounds versus 3750 pounds can’t be overstated. Give it time. Long term the specialness will be appreciated as everything becomes more complicated and sterile.

765LT is a great car if you want a 'track focused' car, but the 720s is a better all-round car.

IMO the 720s is the goat, regardless of price.

I think the 750s will be even better than the 720s or 765LT, as an all-round car.

 

[Jo_sta7]

765LT is a great car if you want a 'track focused' car, but the 720s is a better all-round car.

IMO the 720s is the goat, regardless of price.

I think the 750s will be even better than the 720s or 765LT, as an all-round car.

To me it’s not even close. I barely drive on track. The 765 is so much more fun at all speeds and it feels much more immediate, rapid and hectic. It’s just way more fun. I don’t need my super cars to be all arounders. I want them to excite me.

 

[fastmd]

765LT is a great car if you want a 'track focused' car, but the 720s is a better all-round car.

IMO the 720s is the goat, regardless of price.

I think the 750s will be even better than the 720s or 765LT, as an all-round car.

The 720s is great.

However, this is what people don’t understand who don’t own a 765LT, if you get the comfort seats or P1 you get the top of the line car with the same compliance turned up to 10+. So you only gain, but the cost is more.

I have the senna seats so that’s a different story.

Waiting to see what the 750 does.

 

[invisiblewave]

The 720s is great.

However, this is what people don’t understand who don’t own a 765LT, if you get the comfort seats or P1 you get the top of the line car with the same compliance turned up to 10+. So you only gain, but the cost is more.

I have the senna seats so that’s a different story.

Waiting to see what the 750 does.

I used the Senna seats in anger for the first time on Saturday, and they were fantastic. Left foot braking was a breeze, the shoulder rests are surprisingly useful, you can really lean on them in the long sweepers. All that clambering in and out and lack of lumbar support was instantly erased from my mind! lol

 

[gsxrian]

Senna seats are great for the track, but awful for the street.

720s has trouble coping with its hp level with hot, sticky Pzero Corsa tires on hot, sticky pavement ... the 765 has the same issue, but exponentially greater .... it REALLY needs 345 tires, i know they weigh more, but it would make the car more controllable!

.... going sideways around corners makes good YT video, but is not very fast!

 

[invisiblewave]

Senna seats are great for the track, but awful for the street.

720s has trouble coping with its hp level with hot, sticky Pzero Corsa tires on hot, sticky pavement ... the 765 has the same issue, but exponentially greater .... it REALLY needs 345 tires, i know they weigh more, but it would make the car more controllable!

.... going sideways around corners makes good YT video, but is not very fast!

Once you're in them, they're better on the street too, imo.

 

[06viper]

Wait a second, you guys are telling me that my used two year old depreciating asset supercar isn't making me a $200k profit anymore?? Remember the good old days when people would buy supercars because they were fun? I guess those days are gone! People are in for a rude awakening in the used car world, lets check back in 8 months from now around Christmas time and see where 765 prices are at then haha. I can guarantee they will be far less than where they are now. And before you ask, yes I can see into the future.

 

[EMF Audio (McMedics)]

Speaking of ridiculous ADM, I tried to get a Demon 170, but no way was I going to pay over MSRP. Several dealers I talked to all said they had offers of $200k over.

I think people have lost their minds. $300k for a Dodge Demon? LOL!

But it's the last ICE car till they do another one!

I agree. It's surprising to me that they've dropped in value, but I suspect this will be temporary. It's also the only other car I have lust for, I might switch at some point to a 720, but it doesn't stir my feelings the way the 765 does. I don't think there's much doubt that it's the pinnacle of the ICE cars, it's likely all downhill from here.

Everything has dropped. Surprised Bugatti has dropped too?

To me it’s not even close. I barely drive on track. The 765 is so much more fun at all speeds and it feels much more immediate, rapid and hectic. It’s just way more fun. I don’t need my super cars to be all arounders. I want them to excite me.

I agree. 765 and 720 are equal in all around capabilities to me. It's why I prefer coupe to Spyder.

Senna seats are great for the track, but awful for the street.

720s has trouble coping with its hp level with hot, sticky Pzero Corsa tires on hot, sticky pavement ... the 765 has the same issue, but exponentially greater .... it REALLY needs 345 tires, i know they weigh more, but it would make the car more controllable!

.... going sideways around corners makes good YT video, but is not very fast!

People solve those problems by just getting not Pirelli tires.

 

[unmac]

Wait a second, you guys are telling me that my used two year old depreciating asset supercar isn't making me a $200k profit anymore?? Remember the good old days when people would buy supercars because they were fun? I guess those days are gone! People are in for a rude awakening in the used car world, lets check back in 8 months from now around Christmas time and see where 765 prices are at then haha. I can guarantee they will be far less than where they are now. And before you ask, yes I can see into the future.

As others have said; this is an interesting but typical type of thread on social media.

Many 765 owners responding here and have an established history of buying cars across all marques and have a very significant, thorough understanding of how all this works.

Then you have the others who don't have anywhere near this type of experience telling those that do have the experience of what is what.

Article from the U.K. - A totally irrelevant market for mclarens (in terms of sales) and irrrelevant market for supercars on the international stage.

Another guy who doesn't own the cars, linking to a video of another guy who doesn't own the cars and trying to educate the people who do own the cars

 

[Jo_sta7]

When you aren’t looking to dispose of assets the value of them becomes irrelevant. If I sold my 765 a year ago for 600k or now for 450-500k, what would I want to do besides buy one back in a year if the values fell more?. And then I’d go a whole year without having one. All so I could have a few extra bucks in the bank? Doesn’t seem like a good trade. And anything else I bought in the meantime would similarly depreciate if all asset values plummet, which they might. So is the solution just sell all assets and live an unnecessarily spartan life? No of course not. If I was really worried about it I’d just find ways to make more money….