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750S, thoughts on the McLaren 720S replacement

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#1 ·
Hey Guys... with all this Covid stuff and supply/manufacturing delays etc... i have to imagine the LT may be slightly delayed which could push out the 720 replacement as we still need to see the LT spider...

I am definitely skipping the LT because the thought of a 720 replacement being hybrid is going to be mad performance numbers... cant wait for the new tech!

Anyway, i need to eventually extend my warranty on my 2018 (end of this year i think) so probably going to extend for 2 years depending on the release of the 720 replacement....

are we thinking the 720 replacement deliveries will be in 2023? I am thinking it could even be closer to end of 2023 which would have me keep the 720s for another 3 years...! thats a record for me [emoji41]

Thoughts on: 1- extending warranty and 2- the delivery year for 720 replacement?
 
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no way. timing too tight. you have about a 2 year lag when LT spider comes out.
 
#3 · (Edited)
The MY18 720 was released about 2 years after the 675LT Spider. Even if the 765LT Spider is released as a MY22 (probably later in the current situation), the 720 replacement at the earliest will be an MY23 and possibly 24 particularly if the pandemic lasts more than 6 months.

I'm ambivalent about hybrid. Great for short term low end boost but unless it has decent battery capacity it becomes a short term power supplement and once the battery is spent its just extra weight to carry around. Solid state batteries may solve this but not sure if that soon and even if they are then $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. And that is even before we think about the crazy cost of battery replacement after a few years which could compound depreciation even more.
 
#6 ·
Next sport series isn't going to be hybrid too, v6TT+electric? Rummors about 680S for sport series and 800S for 720s replacement.
Maybe the 680S can be that good to be an alternative? And that's going to be available more or less Q3/4 2021.

I am in the market for 720s and 765lt, the dealers are crazy imo trying to sell at list price the 765lt or with a very small discount (yeah... limited version LOL) and the 720s on the market are either fast-selling (good price, nice color, good options) or not interesting to me at all. I am looking for p1 seats, in EU there are just a few for sale.
 
#8 ·
its weight dependent - Flewitt once said they can make a hybrid system at about 100-120kg ... that would put a hybrid version of the 720s at around 1540kg kerb and maybe below 1500 if they can make it lighter in the meantime since that statement.

Such car could easily have 780hp ICE plus 120-150hp hybrid bringing it into the 900-950hp range with 300kg less than a SF90 ... that should be plenty to deal with the SF90 dynamic wise and probably also enough to have at least similar acceleration numbers.
 
#10 ·
I think that might be the way to go. A bigger difference between the sport and the super series would be good.
I don’t think people should be cross shopping them.
well next sport series is rumored to have 680-700hp base from a V6TT hybrid ... if you think the usual progression its safe to say that the performance model will have 730-750hp ... so basically the Super Series must have 850 plus (better 900) to be significantly different.

My guess is we will see:

Sport Series V2 680hp V6TT Hybrid - introduction late 2020 available q2 2021 usual variants (Coupe, Spider, LT) each 1,5-2 years apart
- later also same hybrid engine for GT in 2022 and a new GT V2 (around 2023-24)

Super Series V3 850-950hp V8TT Hybrid - introduction late 2022 available q2 2023 usual variants (Coupe, Spider, LT) each 1,5-2 years apart

Future Ultimate series:
V8TT no hybrids (850-950hp) - no idea what they could still make as the only thing that is basically missing is a Spider but that would better fit below or a much more powerful Senna V2
V8TT hybrid (1200hp+) - P1v2 (2024-25) and Ultimate Spider P1v2 open top (2025-26)
 
#12 ·
A V6TT ICE would weigh less than a V8TT. So a later introduction of the Super Series V2 might allow time for an improved battery weight technology to be utilized. eg Switzerlands Innolith Battery Breakthrough - News about Energy Storage, Batteries, Climate Change and the Environment
yes true but a V6TT with 3.0-3.2 liters will also only have 550-650hp while a V8TT (4.0-4.2l) can have 800plus hp today - Elva and Senna engines are probably too costly in production to introduce in Super Series so I guess they won't make sth way above 765LT lvl which should not be too difficult with the M840T, as it has already 765hp in LT trim now and could with added hybrid for the base torque generation become a 800hp+ ICE without requiring more costly modifications like on higher output variants for ultimate series cars ...
 
#13 ·
Not sure any V8 TT will pass the Euro emissions that are coming in 2023 so they will have to be hybrid.
The V6 TT can probably go without however I suspect these will also have a hybrid component.
I will be surprised if the existing cars are not the last of the ICE only models.
 
#14 ·
Not sure any V8 TT will pass the Euro emissions that are coming in 2023 so they will have to be hybrid.
The V6 TT can probably go without however I suspect these will also have a hybrid component.
I will be surprised if the existing cars are not the last of the ICE only models.
well you can always have a city mode (pure electric) where the car basically becomes an EV with maybe 30-50km range ... thats how the Sf90 is doing it afaik
 
#21 ·
not 100% sure but I somehow recall reading that it is finished and only heavily MSOed cars are still delivered as they can take some more months to finish
 
#22 · (Edited)
Hey guys, I have been one of the ones bypassing LT allocations as I anxiously wait for the replacement Super Series… and whats helped is that outside of the LT versions, nothing on the road really compares on any measurements… inside and out… so the decision to wait hasnt been tough even though this has been the longest I have kept a supercar… delivered brand new in January 2019…

Then i got a call from my buddy at Aston for an allocation of the Valhalla. This is the first car i have seen that blew my mind… looks and performance… so i started to think that i may jump ship sooner than later… The car is mind blowing performance, tech game changer and outside is insanely hypercar look… the negative: its price is 2-3x the price of a 720 and it is an aston which could be an even more depreciation nightmare vs mclaren… its even more of a niche brand…

So very conflicted and i think the negatives, for now, outweigh me making a switch… Still debating. I just HOPE that the replacement Super Series doesn’t disappoint because its been a long wait for me and I actually for the first time found a car that i may (and i mean “may”) like more than my 720…. any sense on timing for the 720 replacement? 2023? 2024?
 
#23 ·
I’ve had 3 different dealers contact me just this past week asking if I wanted to order a Valhalla. It makes me concerned that dealers aren’t securing spots for this car if 3 different dealers contact me telling me “I can place an $200k deposit to secure a Valhalla allocation”. Also I was told that the car wouldn’t be available till 2023-2024. I have never owned an Aston in my life before by the way.
 
#27 ·
If you can take clues from the Artura, im thinking V8 hybrid, probably 900 or so HP, fast, light (relatively speaking to a SF90). 400k base price? No double the 720 replacement will be a killer. We should see the reveal in the spring with deliveries towards the fall of next year as a 23 model.

And frankly Im glad they didnt rush the car and bring it out early. 5 years is a good run for the 720, anything less would have further eroded the resale values of these cars case while the resale of 12c and 650 is crap, 720 has done well in that department.
 
#32 ·
If you can take clues from the Artura, im thinking V8 hybrid, probably 900 or so HP, fast, light (relatively speaking to a SF90). 400k base price? No double the 720 replacement will be a killer. We should see the reveal in the spring with deliveries towards the fall of next year as a 23 model.

And frankly Im glad they didnt rush the car and bring it out early. 5 years is a good run for the 720, anything less would have further eroded the resale values of these cars case while the resale of 12c and 650 is crap, 720 has done well in that department.
You think the replacement will be shown that soon? Seems tough with Covid related delays plus they still need to deliver the LT spiders and wait it out a bit…
 
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#28 ·
I saw the Valahalla at Pebble. It is an insane looking car and the performance they are quoting is impressive. But at tis point it is vaporware. I don't think I would put down much of a deposit on it. Especially if you can't back out. This only way I would buy a Valahalla would be if it was my 3rd or 4th car.
 
#31 ·
thx guys, cant disagree with anything anyone said on this thread!
 
#33 ·
I can see the pull. The Valhalla and the Valkyrie are the first really cool looking super cars that have interested me because aesthetically they look so cool. I think all the concerns you raise are good ones.

Depreciation potential here is pretty harsh, so it better be FU money. The thing that would keep me from it more than anything else as I hate hybrids. They bring extra complexity. May be the only company I would trust with hybrid technology is Honda. And even there makes me weary. I certainly wouldn’t trust it with Aston.


But I see the ‘fear of losing out‘ issue too. If this car ends up being very Limited in a super performer, well I see the pull. It’s a beautiful design at least to me. But that’s part of the other problem. There’s no sense of anything with this car.

Look at the Valkyrie even the weights there that were promised and what will likely come out are going to be very different. Who knows what the actual performance is, the car keeps failing. I don’t know if that bleeds onto the Valhalla, but I would be very worried. It’s a fair dilemma.

here’s a great way of looking at it for me.

I just recently watched the schmee video where his old 675 destroys the way more expensive and cooler looking Ford GT. It makes me not lust for the Ford GT at all. It makes me feel like I’m glad I didn’t chance to get that car. If I owned that and didn’t own a 675 or worse at 7:20, the agony of that would be worse.
 
#34 ·
I just recently watched the schmee video where his old 675 destroys the way more expensive and cooler looking Ford GT. It makes me not lust for the Ford GT at all. It makes me feel like I’m glad I didn’t chance to get that car. If I owned that and didn’t own a 675 or worse at 7:20, the agony of that would be worse.
I think the current Ford GT is maybe the best looking supercar on the road, but yeah the performance is just not equal to the appearance. Even the 570S is quicker, much less the 720S/765LT etc.
 
#43 ·
My friend owns the DBX SUV. He was skeptical at first, they gave him one as a loaner, but now he raves about it. His wife drives a Bentley Bentayga so he has some perspective. We Test drove one at Pebble and it was very impressive. We also met with Porsche and the head of NA marketing at Pebble and he said SUV's are a major % of their sales, I don't recall the % but is was substantial. The DBX could finance their future.
 
#44 ·
My friend owns the DBX SUV. He was skeptical at first, they gave him one as a loaner, but now he raves about it. His wife drives a Bentley Bentayga so he has some perspective. We Test drove one at Pebble and it was very impressive. We also met with Porsche and the head of NA marketing at Pebble and he said SUV's are a major % of their sales, I don't recall the % but is was substantial. The DBX could finance their future.
so we wonder why McLaren wont build an SUV given the clear benefits to do so…. i wonder how long until they pivot… not sure they can do this forever as most SUV lines have been a massive success…
sorry to high jack my own thread [emoji23]
 
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#46 ·
I figured I’d start a thread in anticipation of the 750. A good place for all the rumors and then I guess of the announced car.

I’m not sure if I fully understand it, but I think I glanced at that the new model will obviously have a little bit more horsepower. Have some updates to its body that are somewhat minor. A new infotainment system I’m guessing with CarPlay. I’m not clear if it will have some form of hybridization, or if it’s just a slightly updated 720 to give them more time for the full super series replacement.

Curious what others know about it.
 
#70 ·
would make sense to first have coupe, than spider, than maybe LT + LTS with 9-12 months in between ... that way you keep demand higher than just releasing Spider and Coupe at the same time ... end of production run 800 LT would be logical (maybe they won't call it LT but R or HS or CS ;-) )
 
#49 ·
Electrification will be a platform change, this one will just be a continuation with tweaks. There is already an LT in the platform.
 
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#50 ·
So will it then just be a a 750 coupe, with a spider coming later, but no LT rework? Or will they just come out with the 750 spider right away?

Curious how much 'stalling' they will do with this model before coming out with the new platform replacement. It seems we are at least 2 years away if they release a 750 coupe for a year, and then a 750 spider for a year.
 
#51 ·
It will be interesting for sure to see what a mid cycle refresh of the 720S will look like.

If the 12C refreshed to the 650s is any indication, then it will only be restyled front and rear bumpers and bodywork, leaving the interior for the most part unchanged.

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