Considering they are still building 765LT spiders and have barely begun Artura deliveries, while still being short on components, I think they're plenty busy. I could see a Q1 announcement and builds starting Q2 but focusing on those remaining 765LTs and Artura orders will probably take priority.
750S, thoughts on the McLaren 720S replacement
Hey Guys... with all this Covid stuff and supply/manufacturing delays etc... i have to imagine the LT may be slightly delayed which could push out the 720 replacement as we still need to see the LT spider...
I am definitely skipping the LT because the thought of a 720 replacement being hybrid is going to be mad performance numbers... cant wait for the new tech!
Anyway, i need to eventually extend my warranty on my 2018 (end of this year i think) so probably going to extend for 2 years depending on the release of the 720 replacement....
are we thinking the 720 replacement deliveries will be in 2023? I am thinking it could even be closer to end of 2023 which would have me keep the 720s for another 3 years...! thats a record for me
Thoughts on: 1- extending warranty and 2- the delivery year for 720 replacement?
I am definitely skipping the LT because the thought of a 720 replacement being hybrid is going to be mad performance numbers... cant wait for the new tech!
Anyway, i need to eventually extend my warranty on my 2018 (end of this year i think) so probably going to extend for 2 years depending on the release of the 720 replacement....
are we thinking the 720 replacement deliveries will be in 2023? I am thinking it could even be closer to end of 2023 which would have me keep the 720s for another 3 years...! thats a record for me
Thoughts on: 1- extending warranty and 2- the delivery year for 720 replacement?
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The ways a 765 cuts weight are numerous: lighter exhaust (titanium), carbon panels, lightweight glass (I think), titanium hardware, lightweight suspension.
The weight savings of the Ethernet cabling would be a drop in the bucket.
The weight savings of the Ethernet cabling would be a drop in the bucket.
Actually it’s quite substantial from what I understand. Around 150lbs. Going to an optical Ethernet, you could easily cut off 100lbs. I don’t know if Mclaren went optical btw.
Definitely not 150lb. The whole harness weighs only about 10-12kg and that includes power cables.
Cut 100lbs from what? The existing weight of the wiring/harness etc. can't be more than 100lbs total (I'd imagine much less but not sure), so a 10% savings is cutting only about 10lbs.Actually it’s quite substantial from what I understand. Around 150lbs. Going to an optical Ethernet, you could easily cut off 100lbs. I don’t know if Mclaren went optical btw.
Almost every manufacture does a mid-cycle refresh on cars before moving to the next brand new design. It may be less obvious with the supercar brands vs. a BMW, Porsche etc. but I don't think there's any great mystery to these cycles.This is a weird thought, but does McLaren and perhaps other car makers have a tick-tock cycle of refreshing cars?
This happens with intel CPUs and famously apple with their iPhones (iPhone 4, then 4S (tick for minor revision), then iPhone 5 (Tok for major revision)).
Mclaren went from 12C to 650 (tick) to the 720 (major revision) to now apparently the 750 (tick). I think Ferrari also had this for a while with 360 to 430 (tick) to 458 (tock).
If this is the pattern, wouldnt that suggest that the 750 was always planned as a minor tick?
Usually it's all just R&D carry over anyways. The MKII version of Porsches generally have refreshes etc. that then carry over to the next "new" design. I.e. the engine in the 992.1 GT3 came from the 991.2 (refresh).
Epic. Congrats. Please tell me there is some orange contrast...belts and calipers?
I think "astronomical" is too far, but McLaren needs $ but they also need to protect brand and model values. They've upset plenty of long-time owners in the past by pumping model after model out. With the 750s they have a chance to hit a sweet spot...market is still strong so they can price it between 720 and 765 and make sure they don't leave money on the table while also not pumping them out at a price that's too far below 765. All of this could be moot until we actually see the car and specs.Why would you want that? Exclusivity?
Same reason Porsche hasn't made a faster Cayman than 911 even though they easily could...why create a slower vehicle? progress is faster. my guess is the 750S will be faster though the 765LT will be an icon.
Right, my response was to the person asking why not make it faster "just because they can". Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean it fits into the intended hierarchy or where the model is positioned.mclarens history in the former super series category was that each subsequent model was faster then the previous one . It was usually incremental until 720 annihilated 675 . Then it went back to incremental with 765 . The 750 will be the first one that will be a little slower then the previous model (765). I haven’t heard one sales person or mclaren personnel say that 750 will be faster than 765.
I had 765 and getting 750. I know many others who are adding 750 to go along with 765 and many others who had a 765 previously who are getting 750.
most supercar owners don’t look at upgrading decisions with supercars like they do with regular everyday cars . (Ie; is it better then what I currently have).
The Super Series history you outlined is a good perspective but I don't see the 750 as a true "subsequent model" i.e. new model over the 765LT. Instead I see it as a 720.2 - based on everything I've been told.
All of this really comes down to your perceived LTV to the dealer and opportunity cost. You CAN work with whoever you want, and they CAN work with you, but will they want to? Usually the decision making process goes something like:No. You can work with whomever you want.
1) The net profit you are expected to generate, off of sales, service, etc.
2) Your trustworthiness...are you going to flip a car (dealer may then lose a future allocation) or worse, export it out of country (dealer loses future allocations)
3) Opportunity cost, obviously. If they give you a car but skip other good customers, what happens to those pissed off customers?
The above is why many dealers don't want out of region customers. It's not just perceived lower LTV since that buyer likely won't repeat and won't service, but also the risk of that buyer being someone who will do something that backfires on the dealer and also a missed opportunity to nurture relationships with their proven customers.
They are indeed underway. Going to be an interesting few weeks/months.Spec sessions …sounds strange at this time … I don’t think that they are already doing them until I see a prove of someone participating in one right now … I know for a fact that some of the bosses of the biggest Mclaren dealers worldwide will only see the car in the second half of April … and for sure no one else at these dealers has seen anything before them 😉
It’ll be interesting to see what happens in 2+ years. It’s “sold out” because 2023 production will be very limited and then first configurable orders won’t deliver until later in 24’. Plus Lambo HQ was very heavy handed in requiring upfront deposits (which is how they are calculating “sold out”)…I wonder what % of deposits will actually translate to orders. I like the car for what it is, but if a nicely specced example is pushing $700k I can’t see myself justifying it.Im really wanting to like the new Avendator but at over 4000 pounds- I just cant see it. Its very heavy. I dont know why but it is. too bad. but sold out for the foreseeable future so they must be doing something right.
Um okay? I see no reason to get defensive.info was before they started … I also don’t sit around on the sales managers chair at some dealers everyday but ppl I talk too are generally reliable
There is indeed lots of accuracy in here. All I'll say is net net, I think folks will be happy.Rumor is there are some fairly accurate descriptions in this thread...But who knows...it’s all just speculation anyway. If they didn’t believe it then, why should they believe it now. Just nuts and squirrels.
I’d wait for the reveal to get any really solid info about it...The rest is just hyperbole.
We can now safely say you would be correct.I think there is zero chance it weighs less than a 765LT
It shouldn't have been 😆was this ever really in question?
My understanding is dealers have their allocation number for 23' through 24' (it's not a big number). Whether they produce it into 25' remains to be seem but I don't think they'll be pumping these out en masse. Just my educated opinion.I think you guys are getting ahead of yourselves. Woking has to build a ton of Arturas and the current production capacity isn’t much higher than that order book alone. There almost has to be another Ultimate series before 2025. There’s pretty much no chance this car will be easy to get before late 2025 into 2026. No idea if the rumors of a short production run are true. I’d really love to see an Artura big brother / real 720 replacement. Feels pretty far away from this vantage …
My biggest problem with this car being produced into 26’ is that would imply they won’t have the 720 replacement done by then and that seems like way too long. They can’t just ride a refresh for the next 3 years. I hope that’s not the situation but maybe it is.
On paper the 750 will outperform the 296 or be close. No doubt about that. I just worry (for the brand) that there will be a stale product line if they wait until 27’ for something truly new.I look at it as the 296 was catching up to the 720s! (Performance wise, and not hybrid technology wise)
Is that Blue car a Corvette variant?
The badge on the hood even says "LOTUS"...think its a lotus
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