[PieGuy]

You can just ask them what the extended cover actually covers...

 

[AZ Charlie]

AZ Charlie
Interesting post
No view on 600 LT depreciation?
Doesn't seem to be on your radar but it is a big factor for you on the 675?

Yes, in #2 I posted that I feel the 600LT will depreciate the same amount a year as the 675LT...I used the wrong word though...I meant to say depreciate not appreciate.

"2. Warranty - you need to pay $5k a year for a warranty plus annual service, 2019 600LT three years saving $15k alone right there. I see both cars equally appreciating the same amount each year. Unfortunately the 675LT is still depreciating."

 

[AZ Charlie]

I absolutely love my 675LT spider! I can never get tired of it. I even added a 720s (basically optioned it as the recently announced track pack with race buckets, all CF options, and sport exhaust) and love that as well but if I had to keep only one I would go the 675LT every time.

There is something magical about the LT cars and as many have said, Mclaren’s technological advancement from year to year very well may make the 600LT even better than the 675LT. But I would still not part with the 675LT. That car is staying forever! I actually love the analogue tachometer as it gives it a nice blend of old and new.

In my opinion, the fact that the 675LT is mclaren’s first limited numbered track car, will make it an extremely valuable car down the road when (1) the speculators give up and sell them like they have been and the cars end up in the right hands (2) other Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche guys realize how incredible mclaren is and start clamoring for these cars.

All that said, I’m lucky enough to have ordered an MSO 600LT to park next to my 675LT spider and 720s. I doubt I will ever sell either of the LTs and will actually replace the 720s with its eventual LT version as well! Long live Mclaren!

That would be a dream garage for me having a 675LT, 600LT and a 7XXLT...Very excited for you and to to see your opinion of the two over time. The 675LT will be a timeless car as I think all LT's will be in the McLaren family.

 

[MarkNC]

4. Easy of getting in and out of the car - the new carbon tub in the 570/600 is simply better.
7. Senna Seats - if you order them...which I did.

Oops, your #4 is null and void if you do your #6.

Yes indeed the 600LT is an easier car to get in an out than the 675LT but only if you spec comfort seats. The Senna seats make the car much harder to get into and out of than an 675LT with either race buckets or comfort seats. The lip on the Senna seats is quite high and quite thin. It's not as much an issue in the Senna because the Senna has doors that cut out a portion of the roof (like the 720S) so you can rise up and then plant yourself down on the door sills (not the seat sills, they hurt way too much) and you pretty much have to because trying to exit the Senna the way you'd exit a 675LT or P1 with race buckets is just way more awkward (and painful!) even with the roof cut-outs in the Senna. The race buckets from 675LT have a much wider sill on them so you don't hurt yourself trying to rest on them. Plus, where your butt is they're mostly at the same level as the door sills so they form a smoother line out of the car.

The 600LT has a fixed roof so there's no rising up to get out of the car or "falling" down into the seat to get in. It's navigable but your argument that it is easier to get in and out of the 600LT is voided if you get the Senna seats - it's actually much more awkward and uncomfortable. And if you're tall and wearing a race helmet and HANS device, good luck to you! That said, the Senna seats are comfortable and light. If you're only using it as a track car, and you don't find the regular race buckets to your liking, they're certainly one way to go but if you're going to daily drive it you might regret the Senna seats in a 600LT.

In terms of ingress-egress I'd stack rank the seat options as: 1. Heated, electric comfort seats, 2. Manual comfort seats, 3. Traditional McLaren Race Buckets, 4. Senna seats.

 

[mikey k]

Oops, your #4 is null and void if you do your #6.

Yes indeed the 600LT is a much easier cars to get in an out than the 675LT but only if you spec comfort seats. The Senna seats make the car much harder to get into and out of than an 675LT with either race buckets or comfort seats. The lip on the Senna seats is quite high and quite thin. It's not as much an issue in the Senna because the Senna has doors that cut out a portion of the roof (like the 720S) so you can rise up and then plant yourself down on the door sills (not the seat sills, they hurt way too much) and you pretty much have to because trying to exit the Senna the way you'd exit a 675LT or P1 with race buckets is just way more awkward (and painful!) even in the Senna. The race buckets from 675LT have a much wider sill on them so you don't hurt yourself trying to rest on them. Plus where your butt is they're mostly at the same level as the door sills so they form a smoother line out of the car.

The 600LT has a fixed roof so there's no rising up to get out of the car or "falling" down into the seat to get in. It's navigable but your argument that it is easier to get in and out of the 600LT is voided if you get the Senna seats - it's actually much more awkward and uncomfortable. And if you're tall and wearing a race helmet and HANS device, good luck to you! That said, the Senna seats are comfortable and light. If you're only using it as a track car, and you don't find the regular race buckets to your liking, they're certainly one way to go but if you're going to daily drive it you might regret the Senna seats in a 600LT.

In terms of ingress-egress I'd stack rank the seat options as: 1. Heated, electric comfort seats, 2. Manual comfort seats, 3. Traditional McLaren Race Buckets, 4. Senna seats.

Yep the lower sill in the 600 is pointless with the Senna seats.
I tried a 600LT with them in and they are WAY harder to get out of than my 675LT with the slimmer version of the race seats.

 

[GRB650S]

To cut a long story short I happened to be in the right place at the right time when a McLaren Dignitary was visiting the local McLaren dealership in a LHD 600LT and I was extremely lucky to be able to get out and have a 20 minute drive in the car.


Wow, yes it is breathtaking for a sports series car and a proper LT car which again is night and day from the previous 570S I had.
The senna seats were a work of art but TBH they do hamper getting in and out even if you are small and athletic so I think the normal race seats would be the better useable option.
I guess it was a pre production press car but TBH the fit and finish and quality of the interior was no different than my old 570S and was a bit of a let down.
It drove very well on the damp British A roads but I did miss the hydraulic suspension of the 675LT and the degree of variance and ride comfort was quite noticeable which is where I guess a lot of money has been saved.
I didn't notice the difference of active aero as i wasn't driving hard enough on public roads but again I did miss that massive air brake flicking up when you press on the anchors
Like the 675LT the driving position and steering were excellent


The dealership wanted me to resurrect my 2 600LT orders for which they still have deposits but TBH having slept on it for 3 days now I just don't think the 600LT is quite as good as the 675LT and the big crunch for me is the fact its not LIMITED and McLaren wont say how many they will build.
My local dealership are not overly bothered whether I go ahead or not as they have a list of customers waiting but as a long standing loyal customer they wanted me to experience a drive in the car in the hope it would change my mind.


In summary the 600LT is a cracking car and if it was limited to 500 I would of probably kept my 2 orders coupe/spider but there is just something extra special about the 675LT.
The way it looks, the way it sounds, the way it drives, the way it feels all scream of an extra ordinary car that will be hard to surpass and I simply cant part company with.


TBH I feel privileged to be 1 of the lucky 500

 

[AZ Charlie]

Oops, your #4 is null and void if you do your #6.

Yes indeed the 600LT is an easier car to get in an out than the 675LT but only if you spec comfort seats. The Senna seats make the car much harder to get into and out of than an 675LT with either race buckets or comfort seats. The lip on the Senna seats is quite high and quite thin. It's not as much an issue in the Senna because the Senna has doors that cut out a portion of the roof (like the 720S) so you can rise up and then plant yourself down on the door sills (not the seat sills, they hurt way too much) and you pretty much have to because trying to exit the Senna the way you'd exit a 675LT or P1 with race buckets is just way more awkward (and painful!) even with the roof cut-outs in the Senna. The race buckets from 675LT have a much wider sill on them so you don't hurt yourself trying to rest on them. Plus, where your butt is they're mostly at the same level as the door sills so they form a smoother line out of the car.

The 600LT has a fixed roof so there's no rising up to get out of the car or "falling" down into the seat to get in. It's navigable but your argument that it is easier to get in and out of the 600LT is voided if you get the Senna seats - it's actually much more awkward and uncomfortable. And if you're tall and wearing a race helmet and HANS device, good luck to you! That said, the Senna seats are comfortable and light. If you're only using it as a track car, and you don't find the regular race buckets to your liking, they're certainly one way to go but if you're going to daily drive it you might regret the Senna seats in a 600LT.

In terms of ingress-egress I'd stack rank the seat options as: 1. Heated, electric comfort seats, 2. Manual comfort seats, 3. Traditional McLaren Race Buckets, 4. Senna seats.

Great point and did not even think about that! I am still looking forward to having the Senna seats and I do agree with you.

 

[Kinetic]

To cut a long story short I happened to be in the right place at the right time when a McLaren Dignitary was visiting the local McLaren dealership in a LHD 600LT and I was extremely lucky to be able to get out and have a 20 minute drive in the car.


Wow, yes it is breathtaking for a sports series car and a proper LT car which again is night and day from the previous 570S I had.
The senna seats were a work of art but TBH they do hamper getting in and out even if you are small and athletic so I think the normal race seats would be the better useable option.
I guess it was a pre production press car but TBH the fit and finish and quality of the interior was no different than my old 570S and was a bit of a let down.
It drove very well on the damp British A roads but I did miss the hydraulic suspension of the 675LT and the degree of variance and ride comfort was quite noticeable which is where I guess a lot of money has been saved.
I didn't notice the difference of active aero as i wasn't driving hard enough on public roads but again I did miss that massive air brake flicking up when you press on the anchors
Like the 675LT the driving position and steering were excellent


The dealership wanted me to resurrect my 2 600LT orders for which they still have deposits but TBH having slept on it for 3 days now I just don't think the 600LT is quite as good as the 675LT and the big crunch for me is the fact its not LIMITED and McLaren wont say how many they will build.
My local dealership are not overly bothered whether I go ahead or not as they have a list of customers waiting but as a long standing loyal customer they wanted me to experience a drive in the car in the hope it would change my mind.


In summary the 600LT is a cracking car and if it was limited to 500 I would of probably kept my 2 orders coupe/spider but there is just something extra special about the 675LT.
The way it looks, the way it sounds, the way it drives, the way it feels all scream of an extra ordinary car that will be hard to surpass and I simply cant part company with

Great feedback. It’s great to hear from someone who has actually driven both.

 

[GRB650S]

Great feedback. It’s great to hear from someone who has actually driven both.

Yeah I was lucky to get the chance but 95% of customers will be ordering blind.


All I can say is they wont be disappointed as its a cracking piece of kit. If you are a conquest customer or not coming out of a 675LT for the 600LT the thing will blow you away but in my case I have been spoilt with the 675LT Spider.
Yes its a couple of years newer and McLaren have progressed along with the tyres in that time but for me it still did not surpass the 675LT which I kind of guessed it wouldn't as a Sports versus SUPER series car.
The fact my preferred coupe spec was coming in at £240k and only £30k less than my 1,000 mile 675LT spider just didn't make me feel the urge/need to change for changing sake.
Sometimes a keeper moment dawns on you and this may well be the case with the 675LT.


My 6 month old Lamborghini Performante coupe gets traded in against a spyder version at the end of this week and I can see that 2 car line up being my supercars for the conceivable future. Nice combo of naturally aspirated V10 loud and lairy Lambo and folding metal topped carbon tubbed turbocharged McLaren - both spiders in Verde mantis and Napier green.
Quite possibly the best of both worlds IMHO

 

[Flash2k6]

Nice to see someone provide input who's driven both ... the 675LT is the most under appreciated car for anyone who has not spent a decent amount of seat time in it. Outside of a P1, it's by far my favorite McLaren made to date and I've been fortunate enough to drive all of them (except the new 600LT).

While the instrument cluster has an analog feel for sure, the car itself overall is just it's own special thing. The only car I would sell mine for, is a P1... the 675 is at a sweet spot price wise for anyone wanting to get into the McLaren game and the driving experience is truly remarkable.

-F

 

[SmokinV10]

the 675LT is a better car. More standard carbon, more power, better suspension. Sure it costs an extra $7K a year (warranty + service) to own, but just figure that into the overhead. With unlimited production, the 600LT is going to swan dive in value. 570s's have taken a big hit, and 600LT's will arguably depreciate more. The 600LT's have yet to be exposed to a spider version. Moreover by the time you add all the carbon options to spec it similar to most 675's in the market, you have car that is within $10-20K of a 720S. intuition will tell you that a depreciation beating is imminent. $340K (USD) 720's are already in the $290K's and less- these cars are less than 1 year old. 600LT's are (IMO) going to outpace the 720's in losses. IF you dont care about depreciation, get what you want. For the rest of us, I'd like to minimize the financial beating when the inevitable day comes that I want to swap one supercar for the next.

 

[mry110]

I keep seeing people say, "600LT is not a limited production number". Well it is limited production run of one year. How many can they crank out in a year? It surely can't be that many. They are currently producing 720Ss, 570S Coupes, 570S Spiders, 570 GTs, 600LTs, Sennas, and soon to be Speedtails and 720S Spiders.

 

[Kamran]

I keep seeing people say, "600LT is not a limited production number". Well it is limited production run of one year. How many can they crank out in a year? It surely can't be that many. They are currently producing 720Ss, 570S Coupes, 570S Spiders, 570 GTs, 600LTs, Sennas, and soon to be Speedtails and 720S Spiders.

That is a fair point and indeed there won't be "too many" of them. However, limited production "number" requires a "number" to be truly considered limited (not as a function of time) and people can then have some sense of speculation about its potential for the future. It'd be probably out of the average buyer's reach if it were limited to 50 cars. Good customers would get an allocation if it were limited to 500 cars. Any higher number,...well, they can still be ordered so there's a clue.

 

[nh4]

I keep seeing people say, "600LT is not a limited production number". Well it is limited production run of one year. How many can they crank out in a year? It surely can't be that many. They are currently producing 720Ss, 570S Coupes, 570S Spiders, 570 GTs, 600LTs, Sennas, and soon to be Speedtails and 720S Spiders.

This idea that all the other cars that McLaren produce will somehow lessen the number of 600LTs made isn't right. I know there was a press release that insinuated exactly that, but keep in mind, there are three production lines in MTC, and there are two shifts. In 2017 McLaren produced 2,119 Sports Series cars:

http://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/17390/mclaren-posts-sales-record-3340-cars-in-2017

I had been saying I expected 800 to 1000 LT coupes and another 800 to 1000 LT Spiders, but I had not pulled out the production numbers from last year when I said that. I think I might have been too low. I'm going to revise my guesstimate to 1000 to 1250 of each body type and I really wouldn't be all that surprised to see the number tick up to 1500.

I honestly hope I'm wrong here, but McLaren does have precedent in the if-there's-room-on-the-line-push-something-down-it department.''

-Jamie.

 

[imagcollgt]

[QUOTE In 2017 McLaren produced 2,119 Sports Series cars:

http://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/17390/mclaren-posts-sales-record-3340-cars-in-2017

I had been saying I expected 800 to 1000 LT coupes and another 800 to 1000 LT Spiders, but I had not pulled out the production numbers from last year when I said that. I think I might have been too low. I'm going to revise my guesstimate to 1000 to 1250 of each body type and I really wouldn't be all that surprised to see the number tick up to 1500.

I honestly hope I'm wrong here QUOTE



Here's something I found on Road & Track's website:
"Deliveries of the 600LT Coupe start in October, and while McLaren won't tell us how many it plans to build, it did say the Coupe and Spider variants combined won't make up more than 20 percent of Sport Series production. "


McLaren's ads emphasize that the 600LT is limited.

Are we anticipating 2019 will have 600LT coupes and 2020 will have spyders?


A guesstimate of 20% of 2119 cars is a pretty small number of cars...
Not sure if R & T knows what they are talking about or how to fully interpret the quote, but I thought it was interesting to speculate about

 

[mry110]

I'm sure I'm getting played allocation wise since I'm a first time McLaren buyer, but I wired my deposit in the day after the 600LT announcement. I was told I was high on the allocation list (3?) for my dealer. As far as I have been told, my car hasn't started production yet. Not sure what can be implied from that.

 

[GRB650S]

Yes, in #2 I posted that I feel the 600LT will depreciate the same amount a year as the 675LT...I used the wrong word though...I meant to say depreciate not appreciate.

"2. Warranty - you need to pay $5k a year for a warranty plus annual service, 2019 600LT three years saving $15k alone right there. I see both cars equally appreciating the same amount each year. Unfortunately the 675LT is still depreciating."

675LT has done its depreciation and will rebound. The 600LT is a new car and not limited so McLaren will make as many as they can take orders for. As such the 600LT will depreciate heavily probably from day 1 whereas the 675LT was fetching healthy premiums for 18 months.


Don't make the mistake of thinking the 600LT will not depreciate way faster than the limited 675LT. The supercar market in the UK has softened significantly and some speculators will just be looking to get out of their 600LT asap meaning simple economics of supply and demand will come into play.


The 675LT is a far better bet financially

 

[GRB650S]

This idea that all the other cars that McLaren produce will somehow lessen the number of 600LTs made isn't right. I know there was a press release that insinuated exactly that, but keep in mind, there are three production lines in MTC, and there are two shifts. In 2017 McLaren produced 2,119 Sports Series cars:

http://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/17390/mclaren-posts-sales-record-3340-cars-in-2017

I had been saying I expected 800 to 1000 LT coupes and another 800 to 1000 LT Spiders, but I had not pulled out the production numbers from last year when I said that. I think I might have been too low. I'm going to revise my guesstimate to 1000 to 1250 of each body type and I really wouldn't be all that surprised to see the number tick up to 1500.

I honestly hope I'm wrong here, but McLaren does have precedent in the if-there's-room-on-the-line-push-something-down-it department.''

-Jamie.

Well they are clearly over producing 720S which is harming residual values so rather than building those for stock they will build 600LT 's to order.
If they produce 1000+ 600LT's I think it seriously dilutes the proposition and will be bad for residual values.


Twice as many as the LIMITED 675LT is just too many IMHO. McLaren got it right with 675LT but I fear they will build far too many 600LT's and that is not really good for the BRAND. They need to control new volumes more sensibly as residual values is an issue and they are eliminating a lot of repeat business

 

[nh4]

"Deliveries of the 600LT Coupe start in October, and while McLaren won't tell us how many it plans to build, it did say the Coupe and Spider variants combined won't make up more than 20 percent of Sport Series production. "


McLaren's ads emphasize that the 600LT is limited.

Are we anticipating 2019 will have 600LT coupes and 2020 will have spyders?


A guesstimate of 20% of 2119 cars is a pretty small number of cars...
Not sure if R & T knows what they are talking about or how to fully interpret the quote, but I thought it was interesting to speculate about

I doubt that. There is no way that the 600LT is going to be MORE limited than the 675LT.

-Jamie.

 

[OT997TT]

They need to control new volumes more sensibly as residual values is an issue and they are eliminating a lot of repeat business

Perhaps, but if your business model is to sell as many cars as your target market will purchase to gain market share and fund your plan, then you certainly don't want to artificially limit consumption. Especially if: a) you are competing with higher volume incumbent manufacturers, b) you are attempting to hit a volume where you can have a more pronounced critical mass dealer/service network, c) you wish to build the best car within a segment by incorporating innovation/technology/performance that may cannibalize the resale value of a previous or adjacent model.

I think its fair to state that there are, and will continue to be, many repeat buyers of this brand even though we will take a hit depreciation-wise (think Jamie (NH4) 570S->570 Spyder ->600LT). Innovation, performance, driving dynamics, styling and uniqueness will still be the core tenets of this brand ethos. Heck, every three or so years I lose 80% of the value of my iPhone when I decide to get a new one. I know its not the same $$$$, but does a crap resale value and perhaps built-in obsolescence change my brand affiliation? Nope. So while resale value is important to the brand I do think that beyond the product attributes, quality, customer service and dealer network, rank higher in terms of driving resale value rather than volume production. If volume gets them to afford the investment in these other items sooner then I'm all for it. It would in my opinion drive resale values up.