Tiff and JP pit the 12C and 458 together in tonight's episode at the Dunsfold track it would appear http://fwd.channel5.com/fifth-gear/videos/other/mclaren-teaser
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If you miss it you can watch it on demand over the Web from 5th Gears website
Link below
http://www.channel5.com/shows/fifth-gear
Absolutely damning review. Neither Tiff nor Jason Plato enjoyed driving it at all. Both spun it. Numb, disconnected, gear shift won't change down, unstable under braking, not as exciting yadda yadda.
458 was also .1 quicker round Dunsfold - where the Macca was developed - how utterly humiliating.
458 was also .1 quicker round Dunsfold - where the Macca was developed - how utterly humiliating.
You forgot to mention they said "Best engine - 458, best gearbox - 458, best breaks - 458, most fun - 458" and they both just didn't like the 12C. No doubt 6th Element will say they are biased and in Ferrari's pocket 
A complete spanking from the Italian car on McLaren's "home" test circuit. Utter humiliation for a car they said was a game changer.
A complete spanking from the Italian car on McLaren's "home" test circuit. Utter humiliation for a car they said was a game changer.
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LOL, no, but I will say it is a good thing they only had one session with the cars, or they might have found that the 458 POS started to fall apart:You forgot to mention they said "Best engine - 458, best gearbox - 458, best breaks - 458, most fun - 458" and they both just didn't like the 12C. No doubt 6th Element will say they are biased and in Ferrari's pocket
A complete spanking from the Italian car on McLaren's "home" test circuit. Utter humiliation for a car they said was a game changer.
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=328223
You can gloat all you want on this McLaren enthusiast site, my friend. Not in a million years will you convince me that your beloved 458 deserves the praises that you seem to so dearly yearn for to justify your purchase decision.
Does the 12c need to be driven differently?
Naive question, but both the 5th Gear presenters and Ben Collins reported having to fight the car. I've been driven around Dunsfold by a McLaren driver at maybe 80% of vmax and it was very different to these reports. I've also driven the same track in a 12c (even slower).
Tiff went off while trying to drift but the car was trying to stop him. Maybe you just need to drive the car differently to a 20th century car?
Naive question, but both the 5th Gear presenters and Ben Collins reported having to fight the car. I've been driven around Dunsfold by a McLaren driver at maybe 80% of vmax and it was very different to these reports. I've also driven the same track in a 12c (even slower).
Tiff went off while trying to drift but the car was trying to stop him. Maybe you just need to drive the car differently to a 20th century car?
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Absolutely damning review. Neither Tiff nor Jason Plato enjoyed driving it at all. Both spun it. Numb, disconnected, gear shift won't change down, unstable under braking, not as exciting yadda yadda.
458 was also .1 quicker round Dunsfold - where the Macca was developed - how utterly humiliating.[/QUOTE
pathetic.......I knew it was too good to be TRUE
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I forget where, but I read somewhere that the transmission drops into neutral if the drift angle exceeds 45 degrees, perhaps as a safety measure. Maybe that happened?
It's not now about 458. The time does not really matter in comparison with Ferrari, since their times are most likely worthless. The big problem is reviewers either disliking or really disliking the car pretty much unanimously. Sound, I could live without, but numb and disconnected really bother me, especially compared to Italia, which is itself pretty numb and disconnected (compared to say the scud). The big advantage in stiffness and weight should be easily apparent compared to any car and especially Italia (even the ringer). This is a major fail. I have to finalize my specs by 10th and I am starting to have major doubts if I should go ahead. I will probably delay the order and wait for a test-drive. My trust in McLaren has waned considerably.LOL, no, but I will say it is a good thing they only had one session with the cars, or they might have found that the 458 POS started to fall apart:
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=328223
You can gloat all you want on this McLaren enthusiast site, my friend. Not in a million years will you convince me that your beloved 458 deserves the praises that you seem to so dearly yearn for to justify your purchase decision.
Eloquent as ever. Fall apart eh...... Well I've done around 4500 miles without any failures, squeaks, rattles..... or fluid leaksLOL, no, but I will say it is a good thing they only had one session with the cars, or they might have found that the 458 POS started to fall apart:
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=328223
You can gloat all you want on this McLaren enthusiast site, my friend. Not in a million years will you convince me that your beloved 458 deserves the praises that you seem to so dearly yearn for to justify your purchase decision.
Might be worth waiting until you have managed the same in a 12C before gloating. The test car couldn't manage to survive a few laps without springing a hydraulic leak (allegedly) after all
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Agreed that Ferrari times are worthless. Only provided the link to show the gloater that regardless of what these mags and tv shows are portraying, if he actually takes his beloved 458 on track for more than a morning, it's likely to pee fluids out of every orifice.
Regarding the disconnected feel, we never heard of it before this round of tests, so that is why I am waiting to hear the full story. Maybe there is an explanation, maybe there isn't.
Sorry to disappoint but I've been on a track a few times and not had any fluid issues. But then again perhaps my car was also a ringer
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You are obviously not getting the message. If I had any inclination to buy your ugly, peeing 458, I'd be hanging out on ferrarichat or peeing458life. However, this is neither of those and I couldn't care less how great you think your shiny red car is.Eloquent as ever. Fall apart eh...... Well I've done around 4500 miles without any failures, squeaks, rattles..... or fluid leaks
Might be worth waiting until you have managed the same in a 12C before gloating. The test car couldn't manage to survive a few laps without springing a hydraulic leak (allegedly) after all
Oh trust me, I got the message long ago from the childish nature of your posts where you have ridiculed the 458 which has now been proven in 7 independent tests to be the more enjoyable drivers car regardless of lap times. I have never once resorted to your level of silly name calling as witnessed in your post above.
I certainly wouldn't want you to change your order, nor was I intending to make you. I hope you are very satisfied with the car.
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exactly what i was thinking,had the same experience when i was driven round the track,looks like they turned everything off,rememeber when steve sutcliife was driven round in the F1/12c test,and said you had to be unhinged to turn it off.
But thats not good tv if you cant drift it,i will be quite happy if i dont have to go sideways.
although i did get enough slip for me in track mode,as much i would want to at the speed i was going
maybe its just like the 599gto (but faster),you can only drive it with the systems on,
not pure like the noble,but as DD that would scare me sh-tless
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Well then your only other motive for hanging around here must be to gloat about your Ferrari every time somebody says something nice about it, or likewise put down the 12C. Which makes you even more pathetic.
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You just keep sipping on that HATORADE!
..........HATER.........u should be pissed at McLaren instead
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why? just because you are?You just keep sipping on that HATORADE!
McLaren is a great company. One round of unfavourable tests cannot make me pissed at them. That's silly.1 - 20 of 165 Posts
