[jkheit]

Hi All:

I'm in the market for a 2013 spider. I've checked around the forums and If I'm reading things right, it seems that right now you can get new/leftover 2012 MP4's for around 40-60k off list (on the higher optioned models listing for around 290k). I tried to find the invoice price but haven't found it.

I was hoping some might have insights for what a good deal is on a 2013 spider (or even 2013 coupe)? Do you think it's reasonable to expect 40k off list?

Thanks for any insight.

 

[Fastlane]

Hi All:

I'm in the market for a 2013 spider. I've checked around the forums and If I'm reading things right, it seems that right now you can get new/leftover 2012 MP4's for around 40-60k off list (on the higher optioned models listing for around 290k). I tried to find the invoice price but haven't found it.

I was hoping some might have insights for what a good deal is on a 2013 spider (or even 2013 coupe)? Do you think it's reasonable to expect 40k off list?

Thanks for any insight.

On a 2013 spider you will get nothing. If you got 5000 off kiss your dealer

 

[jkheit]

On a 2013 spider you will get nothing. If you got 5000 off kiss your dealer

If I don't kiss him, I suspect I'll get a better deal.

I imagine it's the same for the 2013 coupe? So these sharp deals are only on the 2012 leftovers then?

Thanks

 

[noone1]

I highly doubt there is any discount on spiders. The deep discounts are on leftover 2012's as far as I can tell and on slightly used cars. Perhaps when used spiders show up you will see discounts, but definitely not on new ones.



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[Champagne612]

2013 is a minimal discount.

Curious why you don't go for a 2012 - it's got all the updates and the biggest chunk of depreciation is gone.

Drive it for a year or so then upgrade to the Spider.

 

[jkheit]

2013 is a minimal discount.

Curious why you don't go for a 2012 - it's got all the updates and the biggest chunk of depreciation is gone.

Drive it for a year or so then upgrade to the Spider.

I'm coming around to that conclusion.

What are the most "must have" options on the car. The only one I think I need is the lift so avoid bottoming out everywhere (I'm in NYC). I wish it had a rear camera. I'm going to get a built in radar detector. Outside of that nothing jumps out to me.

I don't need ceramics. Wonder what you guys think the "must have's are"?

 

[LimeyBloke]

I'm coming around to that conclusion.

What are the most "must have" options on the car. The only one I think I need is the lift so avoid bottoming out everywhere (I'm in NYC). I wish it had a rear camera. I'm going to get a built in radar detector. Outside of that nothing jumps out to me.

I don't need ceramics. Wonder what you guys think the "must have's are"?

A 2012MY won't have the lift system you say you need.

 

[jkheit]

A 2012MY won't have the lift system you say you need.

LOL. So much for that. How much do you find the car bottoms out without the lift.

Have most found the IRIS system upgrade worthwhile? I suppose the heated electric seats are worthwhile. Not clear if the airbrake is standard, if not I supposed that's wrothwhile.

The rest are mostly aesthetic/subjective options if I recall.

 

[Jerry]

Although desirable, you'll probably find you can live without the lift kit. I don't have it and use the car as a city daily driver, it copes with most speed humps, ramps and such like reasonably well. You quickly learn how to tackle the various challenges of daily driving and it's rare for me to be bottoming out the car .... And we have speed bumps here designed to slow down jacked up Nissan Patrols.

IRIS ... I think you'll struggle to find a car without it. I personally think the Meridian sound system is superb but the sat nav is a work in progress.

Heated/electric seats .... Very much a case of whether you are looking to save weight or warm your butt! The comfort entry with the electric seats is better post upgrades but you can get in and out without moving the seat. If you are the only driver and want to save weight then go for the manuals.

Airbrake is standard .... And very effective.

As you state, the rest is getting subjective/aesthetic but, again, if you are looking at weight saving then the superlight wheels, sports exhaust and carbon ceramics are worth a look. Personally I'd recommend the sports exhaust.

 

[noone1]

Whoa. I just realized that it doesn't have a rear camera. Does anyone know if there is a new option for it in the coming years? The camera is insanely useful. Figured all cars had it these days.



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[Champagne612]

I'm coming around to that conclusion.

What are the most "must have" options on the car. The only one I think I need is the lift so avoid bottoming out everywhere (I'm in NYC). I wish it had a rear camera. I'm going to get a built in radar detector. Outside of that nothing jumps out to me.

I don't need ceramics. Wonder what you guys think the "must have's are"?

Probably one of the worst to ask about options - mine carried a 307 sticker.

Strongly suggest a full clear bra.

As a dd in STL we have plenty of potholes speed bumps etc - my 16M which is lowered taught me a lot so the Mac is of no issue without the lift.

Here is a picture of how the dealer installed radar - also the dealer tossed in the 10.6 update and I have zero issues - it's an amazing car.

 

[jp33pds]

I run the car as my daily driver and commute to NYC. The lift is pretty helpful. Although it is possible to finesse one's way over speed bumps and rough road in many places, there is not always a lot of room to maneuver in the city. Also some garages have very steep entrances that can only work with the lift up. So, you can make do without the lift, but you will appreciate having it.

 

[Whoopsy]

I'm coming around to that conclusion.

What are the most "must have" options on the car. The only one I think I need is the lift so avoid bottoming out everywhere (I'm in NYC). I wish it had a rear camera. I'm going to get a built in radar detector. Outside of that nothing jumps out to me.

I don't need ceramics. Wonder what you guys think the "must have's are"?

The swipe-to-open doors. Only the 2012 have them. 13s have a ugly button unless you paid extra to MSO to have it removed.

 

[6th element]

I commute into a big city every day; no lift kit required. If you have a really steep driveway, then I would get it. No must have options, really. It's all preference.

 

[jkheit]

.... And we have speed bumps here designed to slow down jacked up Nissan Patrols.

Cool to know thanks.

IRIS ... I think you'll struggle to find a car without it. I personally think the Meridian sound system is superb but the sat nav is a work in progress.

Yea, it seems like it would be an accomplishment to find a car without it.

Heated/electric seats .... Very much a case of whether you are looking to save weight or warm your butt! The comfort entry with the electric seats is better post upgrades but you can get in and out without moving the seat. If you are the only driver and want to save weight then go for the manuals.

I like the memory feature more than anything.

Airbrake is standard .... And very effective.

Thanks I figured that, but I confused myself over analyzing the "carbon air brake" in not realizing it was an option for it to be carbon and not that its adding an airbrake. Duh on me.

As you state, the rest is getting subjective/aesthetic but, again, if you are looking at weight saving then the superlight wheels, sports exhaust and carbon ceramics are worth a look. Personally I'd recommend the sports exhaust.

From asking, most of the carbon adds up to probably less than 40lbs of weight. Which is nice, but it sounds mostly like aesthetic considerations, which is certainly a legit consideration.


So thank you so much for this. I test drove the 458, the Mac spider, and ended up getting a new 2012 Mac coupe today. Both are just fantastic cars. Really appreciate your and all the other feedback from folks here. It was super helpful!

 

[jkheit]

I run the car as my daily driver and commute to NYC. The lift is pretty helpful. Although it is possible to finesse one's way over speed bumps and rough road in many places, there is not always a lot of room to maneuver in the city. Also some garages have very steep entrances that can only work with the lift up. So, you can make do without the lift, but you will appreciate having it.

Thanks JP33PDS and 6th element for this feedback; made me feel better not having it, but gotta say wish I did. I got a new 2012 so it wasn't and option unfortunately

 

[jkheit]

Probably one of the worst to ask about options - mine carried a 307 sticker.

Strongly suggest a full clear bra.

As a dd in STL we have plenty of potholes speed bumps etc - my 16M which is lowered taught me a lot so the Mac is of no issue without the lift.

Here is a picture of how the dealer installed radar - also the dealer tossed in the 10.6 update and I have zero issues - it's an amazing car.

Thanks for this. I have an escort 9500ci and love it. I'm going to do a new round of research to see what the state of the art is now for my new Mac. What radar are you using, do you like it?

Thanks so much. Appreciate the feedback.

 

[jkheit]

I highly doubt there is any discount on spiders. The deep discounts are on leftover 2012's as far as I can tell and on slightly used cars. Perhaps when used spiders show up you will see discounts, but definitely not on new ones.

Thanks, this ended up being the deal. You probably could have rubbed a few grand off the spider, but there was a dearth of willingness to deal. The 2012's seem to have 40-60k band of discounts. I suppose if you push and fight you might get them to 70k off if you catch it right, and push a tad. This is for new 2012s. There was room for a good bit more for some "basically new" cars. Like with 300miles on them. I would have considered the "basically new" cars but didn't like the color options; otherwise theres some good value there.

 

[wasax.rc]

My advice is wait. Mac USA stuffed the channel with coupes out of the launch, so inventory is a mess and hence the downward pressure on the '12's. Spiders will pop up used (there are a few right now) and I fear the depreciation (I am the proud owner of a '13 Spider) given the inventory pressure from the coupe (although Mac will assure you they are not going to overproduce demand....gulp). Now maybe Mac is going to be smarter on the Spiders but these production goals they have are to high across the board (my humble opinion). Brilliant car but you will get it substantially cheaper waiting a year or even 6 months depending on the turnover. I am kicking myself for not waiting but I love the thing so...........

See below, obviously options I don't know but........

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=115463111&listingRecNum=1&criteria=sf1Dir=DESC&mkId=47903&stkTyp=U&mdId=47904&rd=100000&crSrtFlds=stkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId&zc=66224&rn=0&PMmt=1-1-0&stkTypId=28881&sf2Dir=ASC&sf1Nm=price&sf2Nm=miles&isDealerGrouping=false&rpp=50&feedSegId=28705&aff=national&listType=1

 

[jkheit]

My advice is wait. Mac USA stuffed the channel with coupes out of the launch, so inventory is a mess and hence the downward pressure on the '12's. Spiders will pop up used (there are a few right now) and I fear the depreciation (I am the proud owner of a '13 Spider) given the inventory pressure from the coupe (although Mac will assure you they are not going to overproduce demand....gulp). Now maybe Mac is going to be smarter on the Spiders but these production goals they have are to high across the board (my humble opinion). Brilliant car but you will get it substantially cheaper waiting a year or even 6 months depending on the turnover. I am kicking myself for not waiting but I love the thing so...........

See below, obviously options I don't know but........

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=115463111&listingRecNum=1&criteria=sf1Dir=DESC&mkId=47903&stkTyp=U&mdId=47904&rd=100000&crSrtFlds=stkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId&zc=66224&rn=0&PMmt=1-1-0&stkTypId=28881&sf2Dir=ASC&sf1Nm=price&sf2Nm=miles&isDealerGrouping=false&rpp=50&feedSegId=28705&aff=national&listType=1

I didn't wait! I got one of the leftover 2012's in phili. They had 3, now they only have 2, and I suspect within a couple of weeks they'll be sold out. I got it at a really good price so I'm very happy.

I figure I actually will take your advice (as I took the advice on the 2012s from others here) and do a sanity check on if I really want it or not say a year from now. If major depreciation happens on the spider, then I will have benefitted from depreciation on the coupe on the buy in, and then on the spider on the trade in. If not, I still benefitted from the 2012 depreciation. Either way it's a win.