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I just don't get the whole shooting break thing... particularly as a two seater?
 

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Blogs creating hype to get viewers. Agree with Jaymoney, a mid-engine shooting break? There currently isn't room in the front, can't exactly put a wagon over the engine in the current setup. Sounds like BS.
 

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If the Sultan of Brunei never got a mid-engine "shooting brake" / estate / avant / wagon, then I don't think anyone will! :D
 

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Full of BS... Mid engine shooting brake completely defeats the purpose. You can't fit any more stuff in the back. (unless you want it extra toasty from engine and exhaust heat)
 

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Not saying I would get it, but couldn't the carbon tub still be used for front engine car? Is there something about the tub that dictates a mud engine?
 

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Yes, there is something about the tub that dictates a mid engine. All the connection points and tub geometry are for a rear subsection that has the engine there behind the chassis. There is no space in front for an engine.
 

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wrong
 

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Oh really...

http://image.motortrend.com/f/27263840+w1500+ar1+st0/McLaren-MP4-12C-rolling-chassis-side.jpg

That pickup point for the rear subsection is specifically placed to hold the engine. It would be a lot lower if it was for a shooting brake. The pickup connection location on the front is for crash section. The reason why there's an indentation by the front underside of the tub is for wheel placement and door fitting and suspension pick up points. For a front engine shooting brake, the front wheels would have to be placed forward as well as the rear wheels to maintain a similar wheelbase and the chassis would have been designed to extend further forward as well.

http://www.carbonfibergear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/3-aston-martin-one-77-carbon-fiber-frame.jpg

This is what the chassis would look like if it was meant for front engine. There are a lot of features for the MP4-12C tub that are dedicated with mid engine placement in mind
 

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I was saying the shooting brake was wrong (in soo many ways) not you, TougeSpirit. If I was commenting in reference to your post then I would have quoted your post or pointed up like this ^^^^. :)
 

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12c shooting brake

more and more rumors circulating about 12c shooting brake concept at Paris .........mite as well start new thread;)..........will likely see production........full time press is on maranello:)
 

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Come on guys it's not April 1st
 

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If McLaren were as clever as they think they are they'd produce a 12C with no rear quarterlights and re-classify it as the World's fastest VAN, that way it would be exempt from UK company car tax other than a £500 per annum charge for personal use.

It would be the only superVAN to own for that very reason.
 

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more and more rumors circulating about 12c shooting brake concept at Paris .........mite as well start new thread;)..........will likely see production........full time press is on maranello:)
I'm with widow on this one. This is pure conjecture and automotive intuition speaking, but with the design philosophy, technology, and means available to them; I wouldn't put it past McLaren's P13 to be the modern-day upmarket equivalent of VW's "People's Car" in concept: a combination of extreme design functionality and comfortable convenience coupled with high(er) performance dynamics.

The P12 may turn out to be a 'traditional' supercar (if such a term can even be applied to the upcoming generation of technology showcase s-cars) but there's an inner inkling that the P13 may be beyond a direct 911 contender or pared-down 12C.

I think the character of the modern McLarens can be best embodied as a visual cloud, or extension if you will, of the P/H button & CF chassis: an orb emanating from a 80kg chassis with a supple, roll-less, damping on one side, and taut, guided performance on the other. If likened to a bird of prey, the P13's 'normal' side of the orb may very well have the size and scope to 'outglide' its competitors (and older sibling), while the 'track' side will allow it to assume a form and focus to 'outdive' its neighboring sport coupes.

In anticipating the car, I'm allowing my imagination to assume that there will be a slight bubble (pun not intended) of FF-like design traits.

Although it might not be a 'shooting break' per se, I think journalists have used the term to allude to relatively higher traits comfort and practicality. And what better way for McLaren to establish a relatively newer brand by creating a car with a forcefully compelling driving character and urban convenience. A companion, rather than a reduction, to the 12C.
 
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