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Greetings all,
Skip this if you have driven both the 458 and 12C and are sick of comparisons.
As a 458 owner I was anxious to have a look.
I have zero track experience and perhaps 1500 miles on my 458.

Yesterday was the first day for the 12C at the 1.4 mile track by the Vegas speedway.
As you may know it is helmet, instructor, and go, with mostly inexperienced drivers like me.
The course seems safe and professionally run.
I bought some Scud laps for my friend as a bachelor party treat. Great time.
Pretty much what one can hope for is the very basic principles of cornering and some bragging rights for going 100mph plus in whatever car.

I had only seen photographs and wow it is pretty in the white/red with charcoal wheels. I wouldn't change a thing, loved it. The side view of the 12C is perhaps lacking F muscle and finesse, but that's a good thing if one intends to use it daily. I was actually a bit less in love after driving it. It was set on sport/sport and running p zeros ( not corsa.) WOT and shifting about 6-7k was advised. I imagine the tire and brake choices are issues of economy. The driving position is fantastic. The exhaust note, inside or out, is a bit of a sleeper. I didn't see any flames licking out or hear any waste gate action. If I had, I might have come off my crappy line due to tears of joy.

Dual clutch set up is underwhelming. I missed shifts, which should be impossible. A brief drive in the staging area showed it unpredictable and nonintuitive. Acceleration wasn't as eye popping as I expected. But then, it's hard to tell in the wide open space of a track, and I used to have a goosed up GT2...So maybe I'd be trembling after nailing it in the suburbs.

The comfort / noise level trumps F, tho I wish I could drive them back to back.
There was no tail happiness like in my 458, and I could not sense any spooky interventions or nervousness. Steering feel and paddles are a bit of a sore spot, but again, subjective. I felt it would spank a 458 but my instructor said no, the outcomes would be track dependent.

The cornering force was fantastic, even sans R compounds, on unbanked (2%) corners. I kept swinging wide of the apex because I was sure the car was about to come unglued. It never did.

Comical to lose my track virginity in such a hot car. I could have learned more, with less anxiety, in the Cayman R. I almost got passed lol.

Of note, all the cars there take a horrible beating and seem to handle it. The GTR and Aventador were awaiting parts after "routine service."

Considering how to spend hard-earned money, choosing ones next car is a great problem to have. I'm critical of F press cars, old tech, and hype. My 458 is obese compared with the Mac. For more austere Mac I'm wondering if the software will be sorted and what's the point of hunting a 2.5 year old, well-loved Ferrari model ( beside selling magazines.)

In summary, I am almost a convert. I hope to own a McLaren someday. IMO each supercar iteration gets closer to perfecttion, faster safer and cleaner. 12C is no exception.
Cheers.
 

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Very cool. My only comment is with regards to the dual clutch box. Admittedly, the Pre-Cog system is a more complex box than most other examples, perhaps to its detriment with reviewers and first time drivers. I have yet to hear of anybody that mastered it during their first drive; myself, only after owning the car a couple of weeks did I feel I was getting the best from it. Also, the box itself will not give you shifts if, for example, it senses that the engine will overspeed. Not sure if this was the cause of your "missed shifts", but undoubtedly the nuance can be frustrating. Lastly, shifts are definitely executed faster at larger throttle openings - when the car is being driven in any kind of a non-sporty fashion, things are lazy and slushy. All of that said, I have never experienced a gearshift in any car previous that is as sublime as a wide open throttle, properly Pre-Cog actuated upshift with Powertrain in Track mode in the 12C. It is absolutely rifle-trigger instantaneous and keeps the boost coming like a comet on fire.

I will hopefully be passing through Vegas in the next couple of weeks and plan to drop in at exotics. Have to admit, being a 12C owner already, the big Lambo is my main attraction. But maybe I'll take a few laps in the 458 and see if I can be converted!

Welcome to the board! :)
 

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Great post. Thanks for sharing.

In sport/sport the car is very tame and wont let you overcook it at all and the tail wont move out of line. The interesting thing is that with that much traction control it is relatively unobtrusive. To me it seems like most cars will take the power AWAY from you while the McLaren determines not to give you MORE.
 

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Great post. Thanks for sharing.

In sport/sport the car is very tame and wont let you overcook it at all and the tail wont move out of line. The interesting thing is that with that much traction control it is relatively unobtrusive. To me it seems like most cars will take the power AWAY from you while the McLaren determines not to give you MORE.
Never thought about the power like that Falb,but you are very much right.
 

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I went to the Exotics at Las Vegas yesterday. Their new road course is well laid out. Drove the 458 and the 12c. Equally fast down the 1800' straight. Equal braking. Shifts both lightning quick. For me the 12c took the corners a little flatter, and was easier to keep on a perfect line.

If you are going to be in Vegas look into this. Many cars to try. Do a minimum 7 laps in any car. I'm sure it gets more crowded as vacation season approaches. Pricey, but you get to push someone else's car hard around a road circuit.
 
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