LOL, why you keep insisting on making comparisons against a car that is 50-200 lbs. heavier, depending on how it is optioned, and has 55 less hp is beyond me. It is quite obvious that the 12C is faster than the 458 in any drag race, and any race from a roll.
Well, because it's interesting for those of us that own and drive a 12C, that's why.
Yes it's interesting, but throwing the little 458 dig in was what I was commenting about, not the actual numbers. Simple enough for you?
LOL, don't sweat it, Mark. Considering the barrage of ---- some of us early forum owners had to endure from trolls boasting about phoney press car numbers, the dig is more than justified. I hope your 458 is just as fast when it arrives.Yes it's interesting, but throwing the little 458 dig in was what I was commenting about, not the actual numbers. Simple enough for you?
Me to. I told the Sales Manager at Tonkin to make sure and tell Ferrari that I want the 492 whp tune that the Road & Track car had. And that I would be dynoing the car when it arrived. No 492 whp, the car goes back.LOL, don't sweat it, Mark. Considering the barrage of ---- some of us early forum owners had to endure from trolls boasting about phoney press car numbers, the dig is more than justified. I hope your 458 is just as fast when it arrives.
I don't live in the UK and was not implying that nationality had anything at all to do with it.Me to. I told the Sales Manager at Tonkin to make sure and tell Ferrari that I want the 492 whp tune that the Road & Track car had. And that I would be dynoing the car when it arrived. No 492 whp, the car goes back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhOU9uOtAWI 6:48 on time
I know the 12C is made in England, and the British Owner's have a strong love for the car because it is made there. Just give it a rest, I live in the U.S.A. and could care less that the ZR1 and Viper are made here. I buy what I like, could care less where it is made.
Well the press car came with Pilot Super Sports from what I understand. I have told him I do not want the Pirelli tires, only Pilot Super Sports. 458's can come with either, but I believe after 2012 they come with the Michelin's.I don't live in the UK and was not implying that nationality had anything at all to do with it.
By the way, you are wasting your time with the dyno ultimatum. You need to tell your dealer you want it delivered on tires made from the same compound as the press car. Let me know what he says!!
Two completely different cars that will be used by me in different ways.Pirellis or Michelins, doesn't matter. Like I said it is the compound and I was being sarcastic, since you'll never get the press car tires anyway. And I'm not talking about shaved tread, for the trolls about to launch their tirades. I'm talking about super soft compounds, the kind of tires that stick themselves to dyno rollers like Harris said, or leave long black skid marks exiting corners like in one Evo test. Just saying, Mark, if you really care about your 458 performing like the R&T car, you'll need the rubber in addition to the HP.Well the press car came with Pilot Super Sports from what I understand. I have told him I do not want the Pirelli tires, only Pilot Super Sports. 458's can come with either, but I believe after 2012 they come with the Michelin's.
Doesn't really matter, neither car will be tracked, and who in the heck am I going to let drive which car to run a comparison? Certainly not the wife, she is not that good of a driver. Will have to use my butt dyno!
It's you who don't recognize that Ferrari Lover's could care less. It's more than 0-60 times or 60-130 times. I could mod my 996 GT2 and blow the 12C's time away. Or I could buy a twin turbo Gallardo, R8 or modified Ford GT. Listen to what Steve Millen said, the Ferrari is "Fun, just Fun." There is still a thread on the Ferrarichat.com website about the GTR. None of them would trade their Ferrari, even an older one for the GTR.
That naive statement is repeated so often, especially when it is convenient. In fact, the opposite is true. Ferrari knows its customers are so insecure about their car's reputation for being the fastest, that they will go to the utmost lengths to make sure the car is always represented as such. Ferrari fans are the first to boast and brag when they win and the first to say "it's about more than speed" when they don't.
Not true, you need to spend more time on F-Chat. I don't post there anymore, but I do read many threads on that site to keep entertained and informed since it has more activity than F-life.com.
I think the same stands true when the Italian soccer doesn't win the World Cup or the Euro for that matter. The Italians are a proud bunch and I think that pride has rubbed off on the owners of Ferrari's. Hey there's nothing wrong with being proud, by all means there is a time to admit to defeat. Cheers.....??
Regardless, the company obviously feels that being considered the fastest is essential for their customers, or they wouldn't go to a track before a magazine test to optimize the car, on top of everything else. So whether customers admit it, or not, that is how they are being played by the company.
You could be right but I have no problem with Italians or Italy, in general. All jokes aside, one of my favourite countries to visit and I'm a fan of much Italian art, architecture and industrial design throughout history. Oh, and the food! I agree all nations should have pride and humility in equal measure.
Well I must admit that I love Italy as well for numerous reasons, the most important being the fact that my wife is Italian or should I say Calabrese. Cincin.......??You could be right but I have no problem with Italians or Italy, in general. All jokes aside, one of my favourite countries to visit and I'm a fan of much Italian art, architecture and industrial design throughout history. Oh, and the food! I agree all nations should have pride and humility in equal measure.
Question though. What tires are required to get the published numbers on the 12C, the normal PZero's, or PZero Corsa's?
