[6th element]

FYI- Gavin Green's video review is back online, along with a new blog article where he gives his reasons why the McLaren is the better buy over the Ferrari.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Commun...en-12C-is-actually-better-than-a-Ferrari-458/

 

[andy c]

Another interesting point about the panic over the 5th gear test going viral?
tiff needel acting the arse making a name for himself, 12,000 views
evo drag race 105,000 views.
seems the so called purists are targeting the wrong audience?

 

[Calitalia]

Here's one more:

http://motoring.asiaone.com/Motoring/News/Story/A1Story20110704-287457.html

 

[AugustWest]

FYI- Gavin Green's video review is back online, along with a new blog article where he gives his reasons why the McLaren is the better buy over the Ferrari.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Commun...en-12C-is-actually-better-than-a-Ferrari-458/

#9 and #10!

 

[6th element]

Another interesting point about the panic over the 5th gear test going viral?
tiff needel acting the arse making a name for himself, 12,000 views
evo drag race 105,000 views.
seems the so called purists are targeting the wrong audience?

Agreed, andy. Like I said, when the dust settles from all of this, I believe Tiff and Jason will have done more harm to their image and credibility than good and will regret their amateur approach to the review. If the Stig puts in a decent lap, it's just going to make Jason look like he couldn't find the accelerator pedal.

 

[6th element]

#9 and #10!

#8 cracked me up, a bit, too.

 

[andy c]

Here's one more:

http://motoring.asiaone.com/Motoring/News/Story/A1Story20110704-287457.html

exellent piece,everything i want in a car and a car company,good be at the start of a new era.

 

[AMAROK]

Agreed, andy. Like I said, when the dust settles from all of this, I believe Tiff and Jason will have done more harm to their image and credibility than good and will regret their amateur approach to the review. If the Stig puts in a decent lap, it's just going to make Jason look like he couldn't find the accelerator pedal.

Tiff is old enough to know better [perhaps to old ] but what should we expect from an f1 reject and a sub standard motoring show !!! And as for plato , lets just say he suits the programe !! pathetic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[andy c]

Tiff is old enough to know better [perhaps to old ] but what should we expect from an f1 reject and a sub standard motoring show !!! And as for plato , lets just say he suits the programe !! pathetic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yes,plato is know within the racing circles as being a bit of a moaning minnie,he has to find something to complain about to justify himself.

 

[MoBeanz]

Tiff is old enough to know better [perhaps to old ] but what should we expect from an f1 reject and a sub standard motoring show !!! And as for plato , lets just say he suits the programe !! pathetic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[6th element]

blah blah blah

Gavin Green: "Is it as dramatic and exciting as the 458? No it isn't. The 458 has more of a sense of occasion, and when you drive the 458 there is a real excitement".

So, basically I pay more money for the 12C and I get something that drives miss daisy.

This one is overcooked, time to move on.

This forum's ability to attract Trolls is unprecedented. Perfect usage case for the Ignore feature.

 

[AMAROK]

You have to watch out for fiat drivers on here !!!!!!!

 

[Pete]

blah blah blah

Gavin Green: "Is it as dramatic and exciting as the 458? No it isn't. The 458 has more of a sense of occasion, and when you drive the 458 there is a real excitement".

So, basically I pay more money for the 12C and I get something that drives miss daisy.

This one is overcooked, time to move on.

Mods - the trolls are starting to spoil this forum, I'm beginning to lose interest in coming here just to read rubbish. Please make an example of this idiot and ban him

 

[widowmaker911]

blah blah blah

Gavin Green: "Is it as dramatic and exciting as the 458? No it isn't. The 458 has more of a sense of occasion, and when you drive the 458 there is a real excitement".

So, basically I pay more money for the 12C and I get something that drives miss daisy.

This one is overcooked, time to move on.

What happened to 'just as good as.....is not good enough'..........didn't hear one statement from Green that the 12C was better than the 458 on the video.........he actually reaffirmed just how brilliant the 458 IS!.......Ron stated the 12C would be the BEST?...........doesn't anyone in this forum see that........and that TROLL thing is getting LAME........PLEEEEEZ

 

[6th element]

What happened to 'just as good as.....is not good enough'..........didn't hear one statement from Green that the 12C was better than the 458 on the video.........he actually reaffirmed just how brilliant the 458 IS!.......Ron stated the 12C would be the BEST?...........doesn't anyone in this forum see that........and that TROLL thing is getting LAME........PLEEEEEZ

Your problem is that you are basing your opinion of the car on what journalists say. You haven't even driven it yet, but you are pissed that your favorite press personalities don't see the 12C as having more Ferrari-like qualities than a Ferrari! (and a tuned press version of one, at that). As many here have told you countless times- based on your criteria you will never get what you are looking for. You will never survive as a 12C owner because the first time somebody brings up Tiff Needell, you will lose it. Most of us have the commonsense to see through Ferrari's tactics and understand how mainstream media actually works, plus we have the confidence in ourselves and McLaren to form our OWN opinion when we actually DRIVE the car. Only then will we know if Ron has delivered as promised. I, for one, am not worried.

Now, before you call us all Haters again, read that another time and be honest with yourself. You are getting the troll comments because your lashing out at McLaren has become senseless and repetitive.

 

[6th element]

Mods - the trolls are starting to spoil this forum, I'm beginning to lose interest in coming here just to read rubbish. Please make an example of this idiot and ban him

+1
who is the Mod here anyway? Perhaps somebody can send them a PM.

 

[widowmaker911]

6th element

I'm gonna back off........but contrary to popular belief.......I LIKE McLaren..........just disappointed that they came up short with the EXPERTS (7/7 nays)........NO WAY can YOU drive the 12C better than them :0p..........if and when you get your 12C PLEEEEEEEEEEEEZ give us your HONEST assessment ..........don't hold back just because you idolize RON :0)

 

[PhilMc]

Ten good reasons??
For me, only one reason matters.
I want it, period.

 

[widowmaker911]

Ten good reasons??
For me, only one reason matters.
I want it, period.

huh.........all 10 ANECDOTAL........to each his own i guess

 

[6th element]

6th element

I'm gonna back off........but contrary to popular belief.......I LIKE McLaren..........just disappointed that they came up short with the EXPERTS (7/7 nays)........NO WAY can YOU drive the 12C better than them :0p..........if and when you get your 12C PLEEEEEEEEEEEEZ give us your HONEST assessment ..........don't hold back just because you idolize RON :0)

To be upset with some of the reviews is fair. We all are. But, personally, I have also seen a fair amount of evidence to suggest that:

1- The press 458 is a ringer.
2- The 12C is capable of being the fastest customer spec car in its class.
3- The 12C is probably the best daily driver in its class.

When you combine those with all the other benefits of being a McLaren enthusiast, my criteria are all filled. Not much more to say than that. I don't remember Ron promising me that every journalist is going to prefer it to the 458. If that is how you understood him, that is your fault.

But yeah, you should chill, because you are repeatedly slamming McLaren for something you were never going to get in the first place. The 12C will never be louder than a 458 b/c it is turbo- that's why it has more power and torque and it's lighter. The throttle response will never be as sharp for the same reason, etc., etc. If you didn't understand these basic things about its design, what were you even expecting? Man, Gavin Green calls it the new benchmark and gives 10 reasons and you are hung up on one paragraph or comment about the 458 being more exciting? You are the one reading with blinders on.

And don't make assumptions about me. I may not be BTCC champion but I've been signed off for my racing license in a Formula car, so I'm not worried about whether I could show some of these journalists which way the track goes. I only say that to counter your presumption about me and highlight that when I see a journalist tossing the car around for TV instead of driving properly for a lap time, I'm not just talking out my arse. Even factoring setup, racing drivers adapt to their equipment, not the other way around.

Thanks for your reply. I know you lke McLaren. But honestly, I don't think many journalists are going to pick it over the 458. I understood that from the beginning. You need to realize that and get over it, or else just bail now. I'm just trying to be perfectly honest with you.