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post #16 of 88 Old 02-09-2019, 11:23 AM
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Had a promising car fail inspection, so still looking.

What failed? Just curious. And was it private party or indie dealer?
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What failed? Just curious. And was it private party or indie dealer?
It was a car (#534) on consignment at a very large independent dealer in the LA area. I was told that the owner had agreed to have the car inspected when it was serviced (which was overdue), as I'd declined to pay for a McLaren inspection due to the service being so overdue. They said that it failed due to (undisclosed) accident damage, but they still have it on their website.

Of course, they tried to persuade me that it didn't need a McLaren inspection, as they had inspected it and found nothing. Given that an airbag fault was being reported in one of their photos, that didn't inspire confidence.

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Prefer an existing ESC. If everything checks-out, I may pay for a McLaren inspection.
Compromised on existing ESC.
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Mainly practicality gains:
- More space around your head
- Additional storage behind the seats (which looks to allow for better speaker placement, not really an issue though)
- (2013/4).
Spiders have extra storage in the roof stowage compartment. If you leave the top up, you can place stuff in there. There's room for long stuff, like packed tents and baseball bats, but not enough for a golf bag.
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Spiders have extra storage in the roof stowage compartment. If you leave the top up, you can place stuff in there. There's room for long stuff, like packed tents and baseball bats, but not enough for a golf bag.
Yes, I've seen that. It's not as high as behind the Coupé's seats though, but could be useful for those wanting an extra out-of-sight storage area.
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Just had an offer refused, as the (non-McLaren, but a company with a McLaren stealership nearby) dealer didn't want to do anything to the car (e.g. McLaren inspection) to sell it. I'd already paid a $5k deposit to show that I was serious. The car wasn't exactly what I want (missing CCB and otherwise low on options), and I'd offered a little more than I though that it was worth ($3k under asking), so I'm not too unhappy.

Still looking.
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Bit odd but it might be for the best. I see no reason why anyone is refusing to do PPI unless there is something wrong. Especially given how many 12c are on the market. Every dealership around here was willing to provide transport and do the PPI.

On a different note, I looked a bit into the PPI process and is seems very rudimentary.
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Bit odd but it might be for the best. I see no reason why anyone is refusing to do PPI unless there is something wrong. Especially given how many 12c are on the market. Every dealership around here was willing to provide transport and do the PPI.
Yes, it is odd. Retail price, wholesale service.
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Just had an interesting experience at the Mc dealer.

My first year 12C (silver/black/19k miles) went in for the airbag recall. Having driven a 720s a while back, a yellow trade in caught my eye. I asked for a quote. The yellow car's asking was good but the $85K bid for a straight, clean and nice 12c was disappointing. Perhaps I will consider a retail sale and, if the yellow car is still around, make a run at it.

My question for you folks is what is a reasonable retail number for the above car? It has ultra light wheels, carbon brakes and soft doors but otherwise is plain jane beautiful silver/black/black.
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Just had an interesting experience at the Mc dealer.

My first year 12C (silver/black/19k miles) went in for the airbag recall. Having driven a 720s a while back, a yellow trade in caught my eye. I asked for a quote. The yellow car's asking was good but the $85K bid for a straight, clean and nice 12c was disappointing. Perhaps I will consider a retail sale and, if the yellow car is still around, make a run at it.

My question for you folks is what is a reasonable retail number for the above car? It has ultra light wheels, carbon brakes and soft doors but otherwise is plain jane beautiful silver/black/black.
It seems that most (?) McLaren dealers do not want used 12Cs (particularly 2012s) to sell. I would have expected better for a trade-in offer though.

Is that the exhaustive list of options / upgrades? Mileage kills values - my (personal) rule of thumb is $1 per mile over 10k. It will also depend on when the next service is due, and if you have a current ESC, i.e. whether a new owner would be covered, or eligible to be, by an ESC. CCB is an option that is high on my list, but not that common, so I would be looking to market your car at people that are specifically looking for that option. It sounds like you also have the full leather option, which, IMO, is desirable (I find the fabric inserts look cheap). Without carbon fibre interior trim, I wouldn't be interested, and I'd also want engine bay CF. Volcano colours really help to sell, IMO.

My guess (because I don't see many actual sale values) would be $95-105k, depending on condition (including IRIS2), options, servicing and ESC. You'd need to deduct anything that doesn't work, e.g. HVAC screens (if applicable). Spring may help values, but I wouldn't bet on it.

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a $100k ish retail makes $85k wholesale sound about right if not good

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That's my take - others, particularly those looking to sell, may disagree.
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a $100k ish retail makes $85k wholesale sound about right if not good
Does it? I would have thought that $15K isn't bad for the effort to sell a car privately.
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not taking the deal...... Just pointing out that $15k is about right for a stealership to run the car through their shop then pay a sales commission when it moves.

In Florida, the sales tax credit provides an extra 6% on top of the $85k number. Dealers know this and often bid accordingly (to their favor). The better dealerships will support their customer's private sale through the dealership as a courtesy thus allowing both private sale yield and sales tax recovery. The smart ones know it costs them nothing and lubes the sale of their car to the customer.

$85K is looking a lot more like an awesome carbon tubbed track car when it comes time to get a 720 It sure beats the $275k for the last Lola T92-10 I looked at but then the Mc does not have 5k in downforce or look like a Bat Mobile

https://us.motorsport.com/vintage/ph...-t92/21240612/
pretty sure that was Stan and not Dan
He left front wheel donuts on my car on the way down the back stretch.

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My 2012 12C will go to a dealer for $87,500. at the end of the month. Car has completely upgraded engine (heads, track-pack water pump, etc., also HVAC updated, seats updated to elect. with orange contrast, CF interior (including a.c. vents), etc.). I will get that PLUS 9% tax incentive off my new Porsche. Thus it is not worth begging on this forum for someone to come buy it.
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