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Koenigsegg Jesko. McLaren could learn a few things.

The incredible Jesko, once again, shows what a small manufacturing operation can accomplish. Instead of depending on other companies to build their engines and transmissions like McLaren does, they've once again built a phenomenal powerplant and a marvel of a transmission, in-house. Like Ferrari, Mercedes, Bugatti, AM, Koenigsegg. Why can't McLaren manage to do the same?

Look at this engineering spectacle:https://www.koenigsegg.com/car/jesko/
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Not sure if this was posted already 'Koenigsegg's Affordable Supercar' ….
Interesting electronic valves no traditional camshaft but rather its main functions are performed by electronically-controlled valve actuators, called 'freevalve' technology.
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Koenigsegg's Affordable Supercar Could Have A Small V8
FEB 18 BY JAY TRAUGOTT RUMOR
We're talking less than three liters.

There’s been big news coming out of Sweden over the past few weeks involving Koenigsegg. The hypercar company signed a $320 million strategic partnership with National Electric Vehicle Sweden AB (NEVS) that will see the formation of a new joint venture that will result in a production increase, among other things. Christian von Koenigsegg's ultimate goal is to rival Ferrari.
We’re also only a couple of weeks away from the debut of an all-new Koenigsegg, the successor to the world speed record holding Agera RS, at Geneva. Only a single teaser drawing of its rear end has been released so far, and Koenigsegg has remained tight-lipped on all other details. And if that wasn't enough, a more affordable Koenigsegg supercar is supposedly on its way.
Building on the last point, a Twitter user going by the name ‘AutoPap’ posted on February 13 (which has since been deleted) a few interesting details about that vehicle, which could arrive as soon as 2020.
This person claims to have seen a new Koenigsegg model powered by a V-shaped "figure eight” 2.9-liter hybrid V8 producing upwards of 1,050 hp. This engine reportedly does not have a traditional camshaft but rather its main functions are performed by electronically-controlled valve actuators, called 'freevalve' technology. Here’s the wording of the now removed tweet: "This is a 2.9 liter V8 1050 hp hybrid engine. Aluminum and carbon body with carbon fiber wheels. It's stunning.”
A lightweight aluminum and carbon fiber body and wheels hardly come as a surprise, assuming this claim is factual. We already knew Koenigsegg's upcoming new and less expensive supercar will adopt some pretty advanced technologies but we didn't know the engine's displacement. If the above information is correct, we do now.

Not only will this be the first vehicle Koenigsegg will build in collaboration with NEVS, but it will also provide the company with another gateway into the world's most lucrative car market: China. Chinese-owned NEVS already has a wide distribution network in the country along with a production plant, though we’d be surprised to see any Koenigsegg built outside of Sweden. An "affordable" new supercar would also be a direct rival to the just announced Ferrari hybrid V8, itself more powerful than the 488 Pista.
We reached out to Koenigsegg seeking some confirmation and spokesman said he couldn't comment on the matter.
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'Affordable' and 'carbon fibre wheels'.

Right.......
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It might be a mild stretch, but McLarens could all be considered to be assembled kit cars, with engine and transmission from other suppliers. Sort of an extreme Superformance variant. They should offer rollers or, perhaps, a buyer-selected engine and transmission. Could envision an optional aluminum block Chevy unit installed, easy to maintain and way less expensive than the Ricardo engines. (Insert some psychopathic emoji.)
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It might be a mild stretch, but McLarens could all be considered to be assembled kit cars, with engine and transmission from other suppliers. Sort of an extreme Superformance variant. They should offer rollers or, perhaps, a buyer-selected engine and transmission. Could envision an optional aluminum block Chevy unit installed, easy to maintain and way less expensive than the Ricardo engines. (Insert some psychopathic emoji.)
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The incredible Jesko, once again, shows what a small manufacturing operation can accomplish. Instead of depending on other companies to build their engines and transmissions like McLaren does, they've once again built a phenomenal powerplant and a marvel of a transmission, in-house. Like Ferrari, Mercedes, Bugatti, AM, Koenigsegg. Why can't McLaren manage to do the same?

Look at this engineering spectacle:https://www.koenigsegg.com/car/jesko/
Because Koenigsegg charges $3M for their cars...

It's not that hard to develop that stuff in-house if hour budget per car sale is $2.8M.
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The incredible Jesko, once again, shows what a small manufacturing operation can accomplish. Instead of depending on other companies to build their engines and transmissions like McLaren does, they've once again built a phenomenal powerplant and a marvel of a transmission, in-house. Like Ferrari, Mercedes, Bugatti, AM, Koenigsegg. Why can't McLaren manage to do the same?

Look at this engineering spectacle:https://www.koenigsegg.com/car/jesko/
Maybe Mclaren is smart enough to know its putting its resources better to the aero and cf chassis tech of a car when transmissions and high rated engines are readily available on the market. Ferrari/Porsche/Mercedes and about all others have yet to prove that they can build a cf chassis in an affordable supercar and not a multi million hypercar...
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In the Koenigsegg equation, something has to give. In light of their production volumes, either their technology is not all that innovative, their development and testing is quite limited, or they are being subsidised from the outside. We have a pretty good idea of what it costs to develop cars that are capable of Koenigsegg speeds: developing the Veryron supposedly cost VAG close to $1b, and even the Speedtail (which in a number of respects is a derivative of existing McLaren models) cost a big portion of the total revenue that McLaren will generate from selling the 106 cars. I'm not criticising Koenigsegg, just observing that the likelihood that in 2019 a small company can figure out what medium-size and large, far more experienced car manufacturers can't figure out, or can't equal for the same unit cost, is not great.
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Because Koenigsegg charges $3M for their cars...

It's not that hard to develop that stuff in-house if hour budget per car sale is $2.8M.
But consider that their annual production is somewhere around 25 cars per year.
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Ferrari/Porsche/Mercedes and about all others have yet to prove that they can build a cf chassis in an affordable supercar and not a multi million hypercar...
Alfa Romeo 4c has a full carbon fiber chassis and the whole car costs less than 70k. BMW I3 has a carbon fiber chassis (with some aluminum parts) at a low price too.
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It might be a mild stretch, but McLarens could all be considered to be assembled kit cars, with engine and transmission from other suppliers.
Nope. Major manufacturers share platforms, engines and transmissions.

Graziano supplies Ferrari, Lamborghini, Audi, Maserati, Alfa Romeo and Aston Martin, in addition to McLaren.

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Thanks for sharing. It's amazing how enthusiastic he is to share their technical detail. It's unfortunate that they won't be relying on IC engines for too much longer - their approach to design could work wonders there.
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Alfa Romeo 4c has a full carbon fiber chassis and the whole car costs less than 70k. BMW I3 has a carbon fiber chassis (with some aluminum parts) at a low price too.

Not quiet true:

Alfa uses cf plates which are glued together - its not a monocoque like in the 720s but only a chassis where aluminum/Steel sheets have been replaced by carbon plates - much simpler construction

BMW does not used cf but aluminum for the chassis - they only use cf of the body which does not support weight

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Not quiet true:

Alfa uses cf plates which are glued together - its not a monocoque like in the 720s but only a chassis where aluminum/Steel sheets have been replaced by carbon plates - much simpler construction
The Alfa carbon tub is made in a similar way to the 570 afaik?


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