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post #121 of 147 Old 03-17-2019, 08:39 PM
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well if they use the same "STREET" tires as the 991 GT2rs's on the AMG ONE I would assume that these are better than any race tires in 1980is when Bellof drove the 956 there ...

btw its not really adjusted ... you cannot replicate 1980s times any more on the ring bc of several changes on the track and especially renovation on the tarmac ... the Nordschleife is quiet old and many parts had not been renovated for ages even before the 1980is ... that is why Lauda did not want to drive there before his tragic fire accident ... many knew the track was very uneven and for example water did not flow off well but stayed on the track in some parts
Having raced there in rain, hail, and snow storms, I appreciate the circuit's idiosyncrasies.
What I meant was that AMG are talking about a 6:11 on the current track, not (for example) a 6:01 that might be theoretically equivalent to Bellof's 6:11 of 36 years ago.
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Having raced there in rain, hail, and snow storms, I appreciate the circuit's idiosyncrasies.
What I meant was that AMG are talking about a 6:11 on the current track, not (for example) a 6:01 that might be theoretically equivalent to Bellof's 6:11 of 36 years ago.
sounds fair ... should be possible with a F1 engine using hybrid monster like the AMG ONE ... I just came across this definition which is kind of interesting ... still strongly assume they refer to the 6:11 time

"His pole time for that race of 6 minutes, 11.13 seconds[16] is unofficially the fastest lap ever driven on the Nürburgring Nordschleife in its current configuration, taking pole position by five seconds,[5] at an average speed of 202.073 kilometres per hour (125.562 miles per hour). Bellof also set the fastest lap during the race, with a lap time of 6 minutes, 25.91 seconds, which remains the official Nordschleife lap record for all cars."

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sounds fair ... should be possible with a F1 engine using hybrid monster like the AMG ONE ... I just came across this definition which is kind of interesting ... still strongly assume they refer to the 6:11 time

"His pole time for that race of 6 minutes, 11.13 seconds[16] is unofficially the fastest lap ever driven on the Nürburgring Nordschleife in its current configuration, taking pole position by five seconds,[5] at an average speed of 202.073 kilometres per hour (125.562 miles per hour). Bellof also set the fastest lap during the race, with a lap time of 6 minutes, 25.91 seconds, which remains the official Nordschleife lap record for all cars."
I presume the definition that you quote was written prior to Timo's lap in the 919!
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I presume the definition that you quote was written prior to Timo's lap in the 919!
hehehe ... well Wikipdia is slow ... or maybe some more ppl there that think that its "the Red Martin farrago" and therefore not legit btw. as impressive as the Porsche 919 time is it is also somehow pointless bc no one ever drove a Group C or F1 car or GT1 racer there without all the FIA limitations ... that way you can build nearly everything and push it around the ring ... maybe if Mateschitz is really bored some day he will let them build THIS for real this and all records around the world will just be for history books:
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Dunno - the AMG ONE does just not really look good to me ... P1 and 720s look much nicer in comparison of cars with slightly resembling lines and Valkyrie also looks way better being totally different
Agree AMG looks as if a shark landed on the roof.

Valkyrie is the winner in looks department.

003 - being round two is going to surprise people in the end.

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They're talking about the actual lap-time, not a 21st century-adjusted version of it. Nonetheless, a 6:11 on street tyres in something that looks like and acts like an actual road car (as opposed to the Red Martin farrago) would be deeply impressive.
you really dont like the Valkyrie do you ?
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you really dont like the Valkyrie do you ?
Does it show? I was trying so hard to be neutral!
In any case, I look forward to hearing your opinion of the T.50 project. It's not meant to be in competition with the Valkyrie in terms of the purpose of the vehicle. In terms of how a unique designer chose to realise his ambition, however, the two men have chosen very different paths to achieve similar objectives.
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you want to put some money behind that statement? i'll take the other side, i.e. that the Valkyrie will be quicker
Street legal vs street legal - both driven to the track and run without an F1 team ... yes.

Doubt the V will be street legal.

003 will be followed by 004 track only my guess 003 like Valkyrie will allow customers to add modifications.

Valkyrie is F1 with fenders 3x more expensive on day one - running costs even greater.

If you are receiving the V and me 003 - be happy to run street vs street.

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There's no way 003 will be quicker than Valkyrie. You can tell that it's noticeably bigger and much less aggressive aero. Will probably be much lighter as well.

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There's no way 003 will be quicker than Valkyrie. You can tell that it's noticeably bigger and much less aggressive aero. Will probably be much lighter as well.
003 is far from completion - regardless if the V is not road legal it doesn't matter.

3x the price the V should dominate the 003 - but we have learned 18 months of development a lot can change.

Aston has changed the game and I don't think that's short term. Today the 003 is 1000 BHP with less aero but at time of delivery it's going to be a different story.

One has to wonder if AM is not kicking themselves for not making 500 Valkyrie's with a V6TT.

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003 is far from completion - regardless if the V is not road legal it doesn't matter.

3x the price the V should dominate the 003 - but we have learned 18 months of development a lot can change.

Aston has changed the game and I don't think that's short term. Today the 003 is 1000 BHP with less aero but at time of delivery it's going to be a different story.

One has to wonder if AM is not kicking themselves for not making 500 Valkyrie's with a V6TT.
i think the 003 will change the game from a view of whats available at that price point... so whatever ferrari bring out this summer and the senna.. newey is current and AM have proven with the 003 that you don't have to build an aesthetically challenging car to make it work properly on track...

but i don't see it challenging the valkyrie ... even if it is most likely quicker than anything else except the valkyrie..

the journo drives in the valkyrie sim are quite astonishing for the pace that they have achieved... but am sure that the 003 will have a respectable distance between it and the valkyrie, even if it arrives two years or perhaps less later..
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i think the 003 will change the game from a view of whats available at that price point... so whatever ferrari bring out this summer and the senna.. newey is current and AM have proven with the 003 that you don't have to build an aesthetically challenging car to make it work properly on track...

but i don't see it challenging the valkyrie ... even if it is most likely quicker than anything else except the valkyrie..

the journo drives in the valkyrie sim are quite astonishing for the pace that they have achieved... but am sure that the 003 will have a respectable distance between it and the valkyrie, even if it arrives two years or perhaps less later..
But is the Valkyrie street legal - agree the Valkyrie is insanity not sure who their customers are that have F1 intent.

004 will be the one racing in competition.

Also believe there is a lot more to unfold vs what was shown - Red bull and Aston partnership looks promising.

Mclaren Ferrari etc has their work cut out for them - fun times!

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It is street legal. Whether it makes a lot of sense to use it on the street is another story, but that's not unique to the Valkyrie, it's just more apparent.
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Street legal vs street legal - both driven to the track and run without an F1 team ... yes.

Doubt the V will be street legal.
huh? 001 is street legal, that is the whole point with it
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It's street legal, and it will wipe the floor of the 003. I'm taking that bet too
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