1K HP Ferrari Inbound - Page 2 - McLaren Life
 40Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
post #16 of 116 Old 05-26-2019, 03:38 AM
 
ChrisK1982's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Germany
Posts: 750
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jas View Post
If it has 1000bhp, is 1350kg or so, and has massive aero that would make up for its unlimited numbers vs the 500 AM-RB 003 cars, given the Ferrari's lower price.

Remember 003 also has full carbon structure and body, FlexFoil body morphing aero and fully active suspension too.

...but let's see. Personally I don't see Ferrari beating Adrian Newey.
think you are too optimistic ... Fchat they talk about 1550-1650kg or so ... for the AMs they are not yet build ... don't get me wrong and I know you are going to get one, but at the moment all this stuff about the RB003 is still quiet theoretical. You maybe see the massive problems AMG is having with the ONE (going so far that some ppl who have a deposit on it think they will soon get a letter the whole thing is canceled) Statement by one prospective owner was: there seem to be technical problems which no amount of money can solve bc the engineering seem to just not work out. Also for AM I don't see mules for the Valkyrie on the road yet, and that is much closer to release and less suffering from money vs expensive technical solutions constraints ... however I am optimistic all these cars will get build, only that the performance won't be that extreme as hyped in the various articles and chatrooms over the last 2-3 years, not to say they won't be top of the line products but maybe not doing 0-200 times below 6,0 sec and maybe not driving NS 30 seconds to over one minute faster than a Senna ...

Current Cars:

2019: 720s MSO Atlantic Blue
2010: MB SLS coupe
1957: MB 300SL Roadster
1956: Porsche 356 Conv. A 1600S
+several other Audi Porsche and Mercedes cars
ChrisK1982 is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #17 of 116 Old 05-26-2019, 04:01 AM
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: UK and Hong Kong
Posts: 584
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisK1982 View Post
most scary thing about this car is if it follows the depreciation path of all big Ferrari models it will likely cost you 130-150k a year to own (losing about 10-14% from MSRP+options, as all big (V12) non LE Ferraris did over last 2 decades plus consumables and insurance)
the old V12 lost of lot of value because they were expensive to maintain. that is not the case for the F12 or the 812, a 599GTO is still way above list, as is the tdf, as will the 812 Aperta and GTO be as well.
i'll make a bet that the residuals and total cost of ownership for this one will be better than for a Macca...
i just hope it doesnt look like a 10 year old 458 internally...
A West is offline  
post #18 of 116 Old 05-26-2019, 04:08 AM
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: UK and Hong Kong
Posts: 584
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisK1982 View Post
think you are too optimistic ... Fchat they talk about 1550-1650kg or so ... for the AMs they are not yet build ... don't get me wrong and I know you are going to get one, but at the moment all this stuff about the RB003 is still quiet theoretical. You maybe see the massive problems AMG is having with the ONE (going so far that some ppl who have a deposit on it think they will soon get a letter the whole thing is canceled) Statement by one prospective owner was: there seem to be technical problems which no amount of money can solve bc the engineering seem to just not work out. Also for AM I don't see mules for the Valkyrie on the road yet, and that is much closer to release and less suffering from money vs expensive technical solutions constraints ... however I am optimistic all these cars will get build, only that the performance won't be that extreme as hyped in the various articles and chatrooms over the last 2-3 years, not to say they won't be top of the line products but maybe not doing 0-200 times below 6,0 sec and maybe not driving NS 30 seconds to over one minute faster than a Senna ...
Even mighty AMG is having hard time getting an engine that idles at 5k RPM to behave at 1000 RPM in order to meet environmental regulations. The Valkyrie engine DOES NOT have that problem, the engine is done. while somewhat delayed, i think most of you underestimate how much of the development you can do for a car like this in a simulator vs traditional pounding around Nardo and other tracks.
i think the performance for the Valkyrie will easily beat anything else out there
Jas likes this.
A West is offline  
 
post #19 of 116 Old 05-26-2019, 04:21 AM
 
ChrisK1982's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Germany
Posts: 750
Quote:
Originally Posted by A West View Post
the old V12 lost of lot of value because they were expensive to maintain. that is not the case for the F12 or the 812, a 599GTO is still way above list, as is the tdf, as will the 812 Aperta and GTO be as well.
i'll make a bet that the residuals and total cost of ownership for this one will be better than for a Macca...
i just hope it doesnt look like a 10 year old 458 internally...
well the ones you mention mostly are LE ones, which always followed a different path and are generally far more desirable as used cars esp if low milage and for collectors (well driven F12 and soon 812sf are another story) ... BB will get an LE too one day ... that's it than for the value keeping of the regular production car ... also a 650-750k car is not cheap from insurance and parts if sth breaks or you want sth replaced e.g. scratched cf bits or rims (simply not possible) so I am not so sure how the cost of ownership could really be so low over the years + additionally no one yet knows the intervals for battery changes and how much that will cost ... if it is 1/3 of the LaF, thats still gone be 70-90k every 5-7 years right ?

Current Cars:

2019: 720s MSO Atlantic Blue
2010: MB SLS coupe
1957: MB 300SL Roadster
1956: Porsche 356 Conv. A 1600S
+several other Audi Porsche and Mercedes cars
ChrisK1982 is online now  
post #20 of 116 Old 05-26-2019, 04:30 AM
 
ChrisK1982's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Germany
Posts: 750
Quote:
Originally Posted by A West View Post
Even mighty AMG is having hard time getting an engine that idles at 5k RPM to behave at 1000 RPM in order to meet environmental regulations. The Valkyrie engine DOES NOT have that problem, the engine is done. while somewhat delayed, i think most of you underestimate how much of the development you can do for a car like this in a simulator vs traditional pounding around Nardo and other tracks.
i think the performance for the Valkyrie will easily beat anything else out there
think the idle rpm one was solved (heard that some time ago) new problems are much worse related to emissions and cooling ...

I have no doubt the Valkyrie will be the most radical and fastest thing to hit the road in the foreseeable future, but I have my doubts it will really get to performance levels comparable with a LMP1 in the road version (the AMR PRO version is another thing) ... but even if it is only 20-30sec faster than a Senna we are talking about the Bellof Porsche 956 qualifying time which stood as a Ring record for 3 decades ... not a too bad thing for a road going car which you can afterwards legally go and get a coffee at some nice coffee on the Rhine 80km away

Current Cars:

2019: 720s MSO Atlantic Blue
2010: MB SLS coupe
1957: MB 300SL Roadster
1956: Porsche 356 Conv. A 1600S
+several other Audi Porsche and Mercedes cars
ChrisK1982 is online now  
post #21 of 116 Old 05-26-2019, 06:27 AM
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: UK and Hong Kong
Posts: 584
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisK1982 View Post
think the idle rpm one was solved (heard that some time ago) new problems are much worse related to emissions and cooling ...

I have no doubt the Valkyrie will be the most radical and fastest thing to hit the road in the foreseeable future, but I have my doubts it will really get to performance levels comparable with a LMP1 in the road version (the AMR PRO version is another thing) ... but even if it is only 20-30sec faster than a Senna we are talking about the Bellof Porsche 956 qualifying time which stood as a Ring record for 3 decades ... not a too bad thing for a road going car which you can afterwards legally go and get a coffee at some nice coffee on the Rhine 80km away
Sub 2min at spa seem to be possible. with the track pack of the road car even quicker, but no i doubt a car on road tyres can beat say the unrestricted 919 time....
A West is offline  
post #22 of 116 Old 05-26-2019, 06:34 PM
 
ChrisK1982's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Germany
Posts: 750
new rumor on Fchat now puts the car around 1800-1850 kg ? that would be more than a 918, which had a similar concept (3 engine layout w2 electric ones on front + Turbo ICE vs. 4 engine on the BB: 2 on front one on gear box+Turbo ICE) from what they say however had a lot less power than the new Fcar with about 880 hp vs 1000+hp

Current Cars:

2019: 720s MSO Atlantic Blue
2010: MB SLS coupe
1957: MB 300SL Roadster
1956: Porsche 356 Conv. A 1600S
+several other Audi Porsche and Mercedes cars
ChrisK1982 is online now  
post #23 of 116 Old 05-26-2019, 07:07 PM
Owner
Owner
 
Mikeyb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 7,862
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisK1982 View Post
new rumor on Fchat now puts the car around 1800-1850 kg ? that would be more than a 918, which had a similar concept (3 engine layout w2 electric ones on front + Turbo ICE vs. 4 engine on the BB: 2 on front one on gear box+Turbo ICE) from what they say however had a lot less power than the new Fcar with about 880 hp vs 1000+hp
Horrible if true
ChrisK1982 likes this.
Mikeyb is offline  
post #24 of 116 Old 05-26-2019, 07:24 PM
 
ChrisK1982's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Germany
Posts: 750
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeyb View Post
Horrible if true
think so too. That would put it far away from a competitor to the Senna/720LT version and more into another version of the V12 GT (f12 812sf) but even heavier & hybrid, maybe a dragster than with still good track capabilities on fast tracks but really no nimble country road car anymore ... That is always what I kind of have my doubts when they speak about complicated hybrid systems ... if you don't use F1 lvl tech (with astronomical price tags and probably not the best daily use capabilities) it could get quiet heavy

Current Cars:

2019: 720s MSO Atlantic Blue
2010: MB SLS coupe
1957: MB 300SL Roadster
1956: Porsche 356 Conv. A 1600S
+several other Audi Porsche and Mercedes cars
ChrisK1982 is online now  
post #25 of 116 Old 05-26-2019, 07:28 PM
Jas
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 249
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisK1982 View Post
think you are too optimistic ..
Actually, no, I was being sceptical.

I did not believe the claims for the Ferrari hybrid, and that it could challenge 003.


But we will all know soon enough.
Jas is offline  
post #26 of 116 Old 05-27-2019, 11:05 AM
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 1,497
Quote:
Originally Posted by A West View Post
the old V12 lost of lot of value because they were expensive to maintain. that is not the case for the F12 or the 812, a 599GTO is still way above list, as is the tdf, as will the 812 Aperta and GTO be as well.
i'll make a bet that the residuals and total cost of ownership for this one will be better than for a Macca...
i just hope it doesnt look like a 10 year old 458 internally...
The F12 and 812 actually have pretty significant depreciation over time. The other cars mentioned are "limited edition".

Barely used 2014 F12 are in the low 200s whereas a barely used TDF is $1M.

I see 2018 812s that are asking $80K under sticker. Now true, I expect the rear-mid to have better residuals than the less exotic front-mid, but still, they are going to depreciate and if you start with $800K, it's going to be a lot.

Then again, I personally don't think it will cost $800K. I expect $550-600K well optioned. I think people are overestimating the price, but we'll see soon enough.

Last edited by noone2; 05-27-2019 at 11:09 AM.
noone2 is offline  
post #27 of 116 Old 05-27-2019, 12:33 PM
 
ChrisK1982's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Germany
Posts: 750
Teaser of the back of the car
Attached Images
 

Current Cars:

2019: 720s MSO Atlantic Blue
2010: MB SLS coupe
1957: MB 300SL Roadster
1956: Porsche 356 Conv. A 1600S
+several other Audi Porsche and Mercedes cars
ChrisK1982 is online now  
post #28 of 116 Old 05-27-2019, 01:08 PM
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 1,497
Really not feeling that tentative exhaust pipe size.

You can barely see anything, but looks promising. A bit Huracan from the rear.
noone2 is offline  
post #29 of 116 Old 05-27-2019, 01:24 PM
 
ChrisK1982's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Germany
Posts: 750
Quote:
Originally Posted by noone2 View Post
Really not feeling that tentative exhaust pipe size.

You can barely see anything, but looks promising. A bit Huracan from the rear.
I remember seeing a similar design somewhere in Ferraris history... Oh wait wrong company ... that was the tractor producer Enzo had some argument with
Attached Images
 
kovalser likes this.

Current Cars:

2019: 720s MSO Atlantic Blue
2010: MB SLS coupe
1957: MB 300SL Roadster
1956: Porsche 356 Conv. A 1600S
+several other Audi Porsche and Mercedes cars
ChrisK1982 is online now  
post #30 of 116 Old 05-27-2019, 04:18 PM
Jas
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 249
Interesting that Ferrari have gone with low exhausts, negatively affecting the diffuser and downforce.


Pricing will be a BIG factor in its success. Initial cars will fly off the forecourts irrespective of price of course. If it's 800k.... it better have some VERY high tech features and construction.
Jas is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the McLaren Life forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
488 Facelift inbound Kevin Other Road Cars (SLR, M6GT, M81) 21 03-06-2019 11:59 AM
Ferrari 488 GTB 660 HP 560 Ft lb Zachary Other Road Cars (SLR, M6GT, M81) 0 02-03-2015 03:27 PM
700+ HP Hennessey Upgrade Now Available for McLaren MP4-12C nicklinacre17 McLaren MP4-12C 16 09-10-2013 01:21 AM
616 vs 625 hp jkheit McLaren MP4-12C 11 06-07-2013 02:54 AM
MP4 in action on track and side by side racing against 600+ HP cars gripforce-mclaren McLaren MP4-12C 3 06-15-2012 02:51 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome