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Who's saying the 600LT is like a Senna?? Maybe I've missed those posts on here, but that's kinda dumb... The performance is entirely different. The Senna is 100lbs lighter (dry), 200PS more powerful, has full active aero front and back with 10x the downforce (over 1700lbs of downforce compared to just 160lbs for the 600LT at 155mph), made of full carbon (the 600LT has carbon MonoCell2, but I think still uses aluminium panels like the other sports series cars), has the McLaren RCC-2 suspension based off the the P1 (the 600LT has standard coilovers, not even as advanced as the super series), and a whole bunch more.

Comparing the two is kind of insane, especially as the Senna is almost 4 times more expensive too.

Also, should probably post this under the 570S forum - not much activity here under the 540C forum...

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Who's saying the 600LT is like a Senna?? Maybe I've missed those posts on here, but that's kinda dumb... The performance is entirely different. The Senna is 100lbs lighter (dry), 200PS more powerful, has full active aero front and back with 10x the downforce (over 1700lbs of downforce compared to just 160lbs for the 600LT at 155mph), made of full carbon (the 600LT has carbon MonoCell2, but I think still uses aluminium panels like the other sports series cars), has the McLaren RCC-2 suspension based off the the P1 (the 600LT has standard coilovers, not even as advanced as the super series), and a whole bunch more.

Comparing the two is kind of insane, especially as the Senna is almost 4 times more expensive too.

Also, should probably post this under the 570S forum - not much activity here under the 540C forum...

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HaHa yeah you must have missed the other videos on the 570S forum where the vloggers favored 600LT over the Senna!
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100% better car. If any Senna owners want, to ditch their pointless Sennas for some 600LTs lemme know!
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100% better car. If any Senna owners want, to ditch their pointless Sennas for some 600LTs lemme know! <img src="https://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/images/MclarenLife_2015/smilies/tango_face_grin.png" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />
I’m pretty sure my 570S Spider is better than the new speedtail too, especially as in the US you can only legally drive the speedtail 2500 miles a year, and my spider can be driven a lot more. However, out of the goodness of my heart, I’ll be happy to swap with a speedtail owner so they can experience the “better” car &#x1f604;

PS - I think most vloggers are absolutely clueless about cars, or will say insane things for fame.
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The point the vloggers are saying and I'd probably agree is the SENNA you need to be a pro driver to extract the performance. The 600LT you can drive straight away and feel much more comfortable.
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I have not done an exhaustive examination, but Chris Harris' review marks the *third* in which the reviewer says they'd take the 600LT over the Senna.

Here are time-stamped links to the other two:

1: (at 9:24) https://youtu.be/P8z3Fg-7VLE?t=560
2: (at 3:15) https://youtu.be/lC-dUm5s8eE?t=180

I think it is as Batm4n suggests, the Senna is just so intense it can be hard to enjoy without serious commitment on track. I guess, from their opinion, day-to-day 600LT is easier to love. That said, the Senna is obviously a monster.

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I have a suspicious feeling Chris Harris hates the look of the Senna lol.

It depends on your 'want' and your budget.

I have a 675LT and that things gets entertaining too, i wouldnt ever trade it for a 600LT. In my mind based on some limited time spent in a 570S, id rather buy a 570S now that it can be had for a bit cheaper, do some mild work to it to let it breath a bit**. Put some good rubber on it, and I bet you would be having as much fun in it too. Maybe a lack of noise and general drama without the top exit exhaust.

Not discounting the 600LT looks epic and seems fun, but comparing it to a Senna is kind of dumb no matter where you stand. Both built for totally different ideas. Outside of the dollar value, theres not much to compare. Just my opinion obviously.

**This is of course based on my use case, which would be something I can daily and be a bit silly around a track, sliding etc etc. However, I think if i was out to just burn up tires and slide around a car, i wouldn't bother doing it in anything in the McLaren price range.
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I have not done an exhaustive examination, but Chris Harris' review marks the *third* in which the reviewer says they'd take the 600LT over the Senna.

Here are time-stamped links to the other two:

1: (at 9:24) https://youtu.be/P8z3Fg-7VLE?t=560
2: (at 3:15) https://youtu.be/lC-dUm5s8eE?t=180

I think it is as Batm4n suggests, the Senna is just so intense it can be hard to enjoy without serious commitment on track. I guess, from their opinion, day-to-day 600LT is easier to love. That said, the Senna is obviously a monster.
Vloggers comments aren't worth the air they use...

Harris' deserve more careful examination...

he's done a good deal of racing recently in a team along with a member here, plus Chris Goodwin... i suspect his views of the senna on track will be slightly clouded by his efforts in a proper GT3 race car.. the Senna, whichever way you look at it will be compromsied compared to the GT3 on track, despite the fact it will most likely be the most capable road legal car on track, and probably by some margin... i have only driven mine on public roads and not at great pace, but the chassis is extraordinary.. i run it in track track all the time and this is on moutnain roads, so not the best pavement... its quite a step even from the 675 even on 'just' the road even at non excessive speed..

from the video that carfection posted with Kenny driving, its clear the 600LT is very capable and significantly more stable then the 570 on which its based.. this is partly due to the trofeo rubber am sure.. its nice that this is now praised by competent people rather than derided as it was with the 12c... of course its a standard suspension set up so some will also still prefer this even if the super series suspension is superior..

i think the 600LT as you rightly say could be easier for a lot more people to love... but i don't think it's the better car.. in fact i would say considering the tech involved in teh senna i suspect that it's almost a scientific impossibility..

haven't driven the 600 lt yet, but i do have our own 570 spider to compare and its night and day between that and the senna, so even allowing for a good step for the 600 LT don't see how it can compete with the Senna even in the real world..
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Vloggers comments aren't worth the air they use...
That first video is Henry from Carfection and I am not sure he deserves that sort of denigration.

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but i don't think it's the better car.. in fact i would say considering the tech involved in teh senna i suspect that it's almost a scientific impossibility..
Not one reviewer said the 600LT was faster or more capable than the Senna. There is obviously not an argument there. Instead, they say they'd rather have the 600LT (over the Senna). There could be lots of reasons for this. I haven't driven a Senna, but I have driven a 600LT. By relying on Nico Rosberg (and others) view of the Senna, it's clear that the downforce puts the car in a potentially brand new class for road car. Getting the most out of that requires commitment and that's not always fun. I am not a fan of salomondrin dude, but at the end of the video posted here he does say soothing to the effect that 'every time I got out of the Senna I was exhausted.'

So, yeah.
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That first video is Henry from Carfection and I am not sure he deserves that sort of denigration.



Not one reviewer said the 600LT was faster or more capable than the Senna. There is obviously not an argument there. Instead, they say they'd rather have the 600LT (over the Senna). There could be lots of reasons for this. I haven't driven a Senna, but I have driven a 600LT. By relying on Nico Rosberg (and others) view of the Senna, it's clear that the downforce puts the car in a potentially brand new class for road car. Getting the most out of that requires commitment and that's not always fun. I am not a fan of salomondrin dude, but at the end of the video posted here he does say soothing to the effect that 'every time I got out of the Senna I was exhausted.'

So, yeah.
He needs to stop dragging on fags then. Senna is not a difficult car to drive. Certainly not in the sphere he was driving it. And would be no more than the 600lt. They will be similarities but the additional capability of the senna will be obvious to almost all id have thought.

Henry has always been a jounalist. Much like Chris Harris.
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The Senna and the 600LT are not to be compared to IMO.. for most people, they will never have the balls to take a car like the Senna on track and risk wrecking it and they are too nervous to drive hard on public roads.

The 600LT can be driven hard all day, every day and anywhere and you won't worry about it like you would with the Senna. That's the point.. it's more fun to these reviewers because less stress and more all around fun. That is a big thing a lot of people don't realize... i'd have to have a net worth of $15M+ to not care about those things in a Senna the way I do with a 600LT.

At the end of the day we buy these things to have fun. Most people will never be rich enough to truly have the laid back mindset to have true 'fun' in a Senna... but quite a few people can in a 600LT, myself included. It's the McLaren for their "poorer" customers and I have no shame in admitting I am part of that base hahah
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The Senna and the 600LT are not to be compared to IMO.. for most people, they will never have the balls to take a car like the Senna on track and risk wrecking it and they are too nervous to drive hard on public roads.

The 600LT can be driven hard all day, every day and anywhere and you won't worry about it like you would with the Senna. That's the point.. it's more fun to these reviewers because less stress and more all around fun. That is a big thing a lot of people don't realize... i'd have to have a net worth of $15M+ to not care about those things in a Senna the way I do with a 600LT.

At the end of the day we buy these things to have fun. Most people will never be rich enough to truly have the laid back mindset to have true 'fun' in a Senna... but quite a few people can in a 600LT, myself included. It's the McLaren for their "poorer" customers and I have no shame in admitting I am part of that base hahah
Life’s too short to worry about driving a machine that is meant for the track like you’re driving a crystal vase. Get track insurance if you need peace of mind. People track P1’s all the time (which are worth about the same) with no issue (and many with no track insurance either!), and I’m sure people will track the Senna too. That’s one thing I love about McLaren owners - I see way more McLarens at the track than any other supercar.

I know there is always the thought in the back of your mind, and if we were talking the McLaren F1 I might agree (but that’s because you simply couldn’t easily get another one with only around 60 road going examples in existence), but the P1, Senna, 918, etc - they need to be used! &#x1f609;

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Very difficult if not impossible to get track insurance for P1. They usually top out at about 300k total car value. And only specific tracks. Ive tracked mine a few times, but self insured.

Im faster in the LT, because I push harder and worry less. Its not just about the value itself, although that is a concern, but you'll also be without your car for at least a year while its being repaired. Not worth the extra couple seconds IMO.
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I have a suspicious feeling Chris Harris hates the look of the Senna lol.

It depends on your 'want' and your budget.

I have a 675LT and that things gets entertaining too, i wouldnt ever trade it for a 600LT. In my mind based on some limited time spent in a 570S, id rather buy a 570S now that it can be had for a bit cheaper, do some mild work to it to let it breath a bit**. Put some good rubber on it, and I bet you would be having as much fun in it too. Maybe a lack of noise and general drama without the top exit exhaust.

Not discounting the 600LT looks epic and seems fun, but comparing it to a Senna is kind of dumb no matter where you stand. Both built for totally different ideas. Outside of the dollar value, theres not much to compare. Just my opinion obviously.

**This is of course based on my use case, which would be something I can daily and be a bit silly around a track, sliding etc etc. However, I think if i was out to just burn up tires and slide around a car, i wouldn't bother doing it in anything in the McLaren price range.

Hmmm, you can say the same thing about your car then and a 650....instead of buying the 675LT buy a 650, do mods and better tires and it will be just as fun....come on bud...two completely different cars. The 650 and 675LT in my eyes can not be compared - alot of improvements and the same goes for the 570S and the 600LT. You know better...
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