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post #31 of 296 Old 02-20-2019, 10:12 PM
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Those advocating 'compassion' should look around their own city. Go complain to your city council that they are not doing enough--these are local issues. Call your amazing governor and get him to kick in some state funds. Maybe invite a few of these homeless (or illegals if you prefer) into your house for shelter and let them drive your car when needed.

Put your money where your mouth is.

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Put your money where your mouth is.
I pay taxes and vote. Healthcare and hunger are national problems.

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rnixon what do you drive I'm just curious?
An embarrassing practical car, and a 928GTS for fun. It's too nice to park at work now though - my old office had good underground parking, but we moved. I considered a kit car (Superlite Cars), but, realistically, I don't have the time and production cars are, IMO, better value (and more comfortable).

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I pay taxes and vote. Healthcare and hunger are national problems.


An embarrassing practical car, and a 928GTS for fun. It's too nice to park at work now though - my old office had good underground parking, but we moved. I considered a kit car (Superlite Cars), but, realistically, I don't have the time and production cars are, IMO, better value (and more comfortable).
Gotcha. Well the SF homeless and drug issue are more at the local level. Again, your democratic local leaders are to blame for these local issues--please call them and demand change. Take it up with them.

I think it would go a long way for you to sell you cars and donate that money to the SF homeless. And you forgot to say if you would welcome some of these homeless into your house. Lead by example. I too pay plenty of taxes, but unfortunately politicians from both sides tend to not know how to balance a budget. That I cannot help but to keep trying to vote in the right people. You should do the same.

Listen, we could go on for 15 more pages, but we are so far apart, and this is a car forum so I'll let you be to argue your points as they will fall on deaf ears to me.

Enjoy SF, it was a great city and now one of the worst in the US. I won't even travel there for business anymore. Take care and wish you the best...hopefully you can get a Mac one day.
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Find me the line in the Constitution that guarantees adequate food and basic healthcare. Youre advocating socialism.
Are you referring to the same Constitution that explicitly permitted slavery?

Sometimes people realise that they were wrong. Even more often, people realise that what might have seemed right in an earlier era would be wrong today.
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Gotcha. Well the SF homeless and drug issue are more at the local level.
We were talking about healthcare and food. I've already said that California is a mess.

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I think it would go a long way for you to sell you cars and donate that money to the SF homeless. And you forgot to say if you would welcome some of these homeless into your house.
No, it wouldn't, and it is not a burden for the odd few to carry.

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Listen, we could go on for 15 more pages, but we are so far apart, and this is a car forum so I'll let you be to argue your points as they will fall on deaf ears to me.
Fair enough.

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Enjoy SF, it was a great city and now one of the worst in the US. I won't even travel there for business anymore.
I don't live in SF. It certainly has its issues, as do many large US cities.

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Take care and wish you the best...hopefully you can get a Mac one day.
Thank you - you too.

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I think that all the European brands that have factories here and employ Americans would be rather pissed at him. I would worry more about Brexit since parts for these cars come from all over the EU.
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I know some agents that disagree with you 100%. However since you were in LE perhaps you can enlighten us with what you believe will work. I am always willing to listen to the experts.



How is it free if you are asking him to pay? Free means free - right. Doctors work for free, hospitals, drug companies, etc. Free doesn't mean that hard workers pay for it. Did you do your job for free in LE?
Would love to educate someone willing to learn.

We have a wall. In someoneís opinion itís not working so letís build more wall. Doing the same thing expecting a different result! You get the idea.

More wall will deter and stop some of the elderly, young, and weak that are just looking for a better life. The ďriff raffĒ that some have called them. It will do very little to stop the real hard core bad guys that are trying to get in. The wall to them is just an obstacle that they will find a way around.

DRUGS: Most of the illegal drugs that enter our country enter through legal entry points. Drug money goes back the same way. So the wall will have little impact regarding this problem and these drugs will continue to enter our country and continue to kill thousands of Americans each year.

Americans being murdered: The mast majority of people killed/murdered in the US each year are killed by US citizens. The majority of the mass killings in this country are committed by US citizens. The wall will do nothing to stop this.

We are at a 45 year low for illegals entering this country, but now itís a national emergency. The billions of tax payer dollars that will be used will be taken from already needed funded projects, which will have a negative impact on those communities.

The civil actions to come will cost tax payers millions of dollars. Think about the benefit all this money could have if put to other needed projects, but itís going to be just pissed away.

Whatís needed to happen, at a greatly reduced cost: Put more feet on the ground. Give them better/more technology. More judges and ways to make our justice system more effective and fluid dealing with illegals. Better state/federal laws with STIFFER penalties specific for illegals that commit crimes in our country. This will be more of a deterrent than the wall to the hard core bad guys.

BTY What happened to the Mexican government funding the wall?

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As others have said it will raise the price of used cars already here and slow down if not kill new cars coming in. Same thing others are doing to the US. Trump just playing their game.
Really not a game. Would cost hundreds of thousands jobs here in the US. Tariffs on the billions of dollars of cars/goods we export only hurting American manufacturing/jobs. I believe we have to get the trade deficit in line, but not with the use of an axe.

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Free at the point of consumption, like free public education. There are lots of services that are paid for by general taxation. IMO, providing adequate food and basic healthcare is something that the state should ensure for everyone, paid for by general taxation. There are too many people starving in the US, and suffering with easily preventable conditions.


LE?

Simple solution - you and people who think like you can pay more AND do your share for charity like me and my right winged friends. The more we have the more we give back as opposed to asking for others to pay for shit.

Nothing is free though, if you don't understand this then there is no point in debating.
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Really not a game. Would cost hundreds of thousands jobs here in the US. Tariffs on the billions of dollars of cars/goods we export only hurting American manufacturing/jobs. I believe we have to get the trade deficit in line, but not with the use of an axe.
Please give me specifics, I am tired of hearing things that are not factual. I happen to own multiple companies and deal internationally but not seeing what you describe so I am curious as to what you are referring to - please no fake news though. Give me facts and specific examples.
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Would love to educate someone willing to learn.

We have a wall. In someoneís opinion itís not working so letís build more wall. Doing the same thing expecting a different result! You get the idea.

More wall will deter and stop some of the elderly, young, and weak that are just looking for a better life. The ďriff raffĒ that some have called them. It will do very little to stop the real hard core bad guys that are trying to get in. The wall to them is just an obstacle that they will find a way around.

DRUGS: Most of the illegal drugs that enter our country enter through legal entry points. Drug money goes back the same way. So the wall will have little impact regarding this problem and these drugs will continue to enter our country and continue to kill thousands of Americans each year.

Americans being murdered: The mast majority of people killed/murdered in the US each year are killed by US citizens. The majority of the mass killings in this country are committed by US citizens. The wall will do nothing to stop this.

We are at a 45 year low for illegals entering this country, but now itís a national emergency. The billions of tax payer dollars that will be used will be taken from already needed funded projects, which will have a negative impact on those communities.

The civil actions to come will cost tax payers millions of dollars. Think about the benefit all this money could have if put to other needed projects, but itís going to be just pissed away.

Whatís needed to happen, at a greatly reduced cost: Put more feet on the ground. Give them better/more technology. More judges and ways to make our justice system more effective and fluid dealing with illegals. Better state/federal laws with STIFFER penalties specific for illegals that commit crimes in our country. This will be more of a deterrent than the wall to the hard core bad guys.

BTY What happened to the Mexican government funding the wall?

Hope this helps!


Thank you for your response however you have not provided any facts or a solution that would render a wall ineffective. I thought perhaps you would reference some special technology that I never heard of. What you have provided is anecdotal and not an alternative which is what I was hoping to hear. Anyways, thanks for trying.

The walls we have DO work but I agree they are not 100%. They are only one part of the solution which would require more feet on the ground, tech and other investments. The walls if built correctly however are a great deterrent which will significantly reduce illegals freely walking into the US. We have miles of open borders and it is ridiculous to believe we can monitor them without some infrastructure. A wall would make people think twice. Drugs, human trafficking, child prostitution, etc are all part of the process. A wall will help reduce this, it will not eliminate it though. Criminals are resilient and resourceful but you have to start somewhere.

This is the United States of America, we have the right to protect our citizens, our borders and our rights. We have the right to lock our doors at night although a criminal may never walk through. No one has the right to take this away from us. If you have other ideas or solutions lets hear them until then I am all for building the tallest, longest and widest wall ideally electrified with barb wire.
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Please give me specifics, I am tired of hearing things that are not factual. I happen to own multiple companies and deal internationally but not seeing what you describe so I am curious as to what you are referring to - please no fake news though. Give me facts and specific examples.
Iím done with you. Sorry you canít handle/see the truth. If your looking for fake news just listen to certain elected people in Washington.

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Simple solution - you and people who think like you can pay more AND do your share for charity like me and my right winged friends. The more we have the more we give back as opposed to asking for others to pay for shit.
Don't worry, I pay my way. What I object to is the view that people suffering needlessly isn't society's problem, but should be pushed onto those that break first.

Federal taxation exists to pay for things for the good of the country. That has to include its people that need help. Life can be tough. We cannot condemn people to a life of suffering because they've not managed to cope on their own.

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Nothing is free though, if you don't understand this then there is no point in debating.
Which bit of "paid for by general taxation" implies free? However, I do need to point out that some Doctors do some work for free, precisely because they cannot leave people suffering. Even hospitals provide free care to those that cannot pay - those of us with health insurance pay for that already. It would be cheaper if preventative care were (widely) available, rather than just emergency care, with its human consequences.
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Thank you for your response however you have not provided any facts or a solution that would render a wall ineffective. I thought perhaps you would reference some special technology that I never heard of. What you have provided is anecdotal and not an alternative which is what I was hoping to hear. Anyways, thanks for trying.

The walls we have DO work but I agree they are not 100%. They are only one part of the solution which would require more feet on the ground, tech and other investments. The walls if built correctly however are a great deterrent which will significantly reduce illegals freely walking into the US. We have miles of open borders and it is ridiculous to believe we can monitor them without some infrastructure. A wall would make people think twice. Drugs, human trafficking, child prostitution, etc are all part of the process. A wall will help reduce this, it will not eliminate it though. Criminals are resilient and resourceful but you have to start somewhere.

This is the United States of America, we have the right to protect our citizens, our borders and our rights. We have the right to lock our doors at night although a criminal may never walk through. No one has the right to take this away from us. If you have other ideas or solutions lets hear them until then I am all for building the tallest, longest and widest wall ideally electrified with barb wire.
Maybe you should start building this wall in the ghettos of Chicago. The murder capital of the US. The mast majority of the murders committed by US citizens.

Iím not against the wall and protecting ourselves. I just think all that money can be better spent to improve the quality of life/safety of US citizens.
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Agreed. It's the negotiating tactic of a child though. Adults should be able to discuss without making such confrontational and explicit threats.
This is your perspective which is not reality. There is so much more than what's on the surface. Open your mind, stop judging and being so critical. Too may people are letting their biases and hatred get in the way of progress. Giive him a chance, its not like you have negotiated international trade.
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