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post #16 of 296 Old 02-18-2019, 04:42 PM
 
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You want free basic healthcare? Move to Canada.
Thanks, but I am entitled to try to change the US with my votes.

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Funny how the border wall took a turn for healthcare
No, it's not funny, it's logic. You assert that a wall (actually a fence, but Trump cannot bring himself to admit that) will save American lives. I assert that free basic healthcare is a more (money) efficient way of doing that.

Trump's construction would have issues with fewer illegal immigrants, as would the US economy.

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How is the homeless situation in San Fran? Are the tent cities working out well? Seems like California has it all figured out.
California is a mess, but it's sunny and a long way from muppet man.

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The whole auto industry is going to be hit by it so any car that you buy will be an increase. 25% is a lot but it boils down to how bad do you want it and do you really care about the 25% at that point
Surely it wouldn't affect US-made cars being sold in the US as much? They'll probably raise prices.
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The tariffs would be on parts too, so all those american cars built from imported parts would have some portion of the tariffs added.

US car manufacturers would have to raises prices by 15% to cover the imported parts.

Keep in mind all the foreign brands which are built in the USA and the American brands that are manufactured in Canada and Mexico and elsewhere

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I did mention this on the Ford Gt forum, as the Tariffs would apply to the NFGT, since its built in Canada. I took quite the beating from the members some of whom argued that the NFGT was an American car and Tariffs would not apply.
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National Security Investigation Into Imports Complete, Could Cause New Car Prices To Climb $2,750


BY MICHAEL GAUTHIER | POSTED ON FEBRUARY 18, 2019


It’s been nearly a year since President Trump ordered the Department of Commerce to conduct an investigation into whether or not imported vehicles and parts are a threat to the national security of the United States.

The investigation is now over and Reuters says the report was submitted to the White House less than two hours before it was due. The department is keeping details under wraps, but President Trump has 90 days to consider taking action based on recommendations made in the report.

There’s no word on what recommendations are in the report but, when the investigation was launched, the Department of Commerce said the number of automotive production jobs in the United States has fallen by 22 percent, since 1990, “even though Americans are continuing to purchase automobiles at record levels.” The department also noted the number of imported passenger vehicles has jumped 16 percent in the past 20 years.






It remains unclear what will happen next, but many observers believe the Trump administration will use the report to justify slapping tariffs on imported vehicles. There’s still a lot of uncertainly, but possible recommendations could include tariffs of 20-25 percent on imported vehicles and parts or more targeted tariffs on electric and autonomous vehicles.

A number of companies have been critical of the proposed tariffs and Toyota has previously called them “a tax on consumers, [which] would increase the cost of every vehicle sold in the country.” With tariffs of 25 percent, the automaker suggested the price of the American-made Camry would jump by $1,800 (£1,392 / £1,591).

More recently, the Center for Automotive Research (PDF) released a report that suggested tariffs could cost up to 366,900 jobs in the United States including those of up to 77,000 dealership employees. The report also suggested the average price of a new vehicle could climb by $2,750 (£2,126 / £2,431) and this could cause new vehicle sales to plummet by up to 1.3 million units annually.



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20 yrs in LE? You don’t think it’s a visual deterrent? That wall will absolutely slow down illegals coming into the US from down south. Ask any border patrol agent. It won’t stop 100% of the traffic. Nothing can, but if it saves American lives and helps keep out the riff raff, is it worth it?

What does Chicago have to do with a border wall? I think it was identified as one of the most corrupt cities in the US. Sounds like a local leadership issue. I’m not gonna name any past presidents that may or may not be from there but it’s funny how that city is the most violent in America.

But I would agree that the uptick in tariffs will/could slow down purchases in America? As a current owner I hope it would help the value of my car hold a little more but
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National Security Investigation Into Imports Complete, Could Cause New Car Prices To Climb $2,750


BY MICHAEL GAUTHIER | POSTED ON FEBRUARY 18, 2019


It’s been nearly a year since President Trump ordered the Department of Commerce to conduct an investigation into whether or not imported vehicles and parts are a threat to the national security of the United States.

The investigation is now over and Reuters says the report was submitted to the White House less than two hours before it was due. The department is keeping details under wraps, but President Trump has 90 days to consider taking action based on recommendations made in the report.

There’s no word on what recommendations are in the report but, when the investigation was launched, the Department of Commerce said the number of automotive production jobs in the United States has fallen by 22 percent, since 1990, “even though Americans are continuing to purchase automobiles at record levels.” The department also noted the number of imported passenger vehicles has jumped 16 percent in the past 20 years.






It remains unclear what will happen next, but many observers believe the Trump administration will use the report to justify slapping tariffs on imported vehicles. There’s still a lot of uncertainly, but possible recommendations could include tariffs of 20-25 percent on imported vehicles and parts or more targeted tariffs on electric and autonomous vehicles.

A number of companies have been critical of the proposed tariffs and Toyota has previously called them “a tax on consumers, [which] would increase the cost of every vehicle sold in the country.” With tariffs of 25 percent, the automaker suggested the price of the American-made Camry would jump by $1,800 (£1,392 / £1,591).

More recently, the Center for Automotive Research (PDF) released a report that suggested tariffs could cost up to 366,900 jobs in the United States including those of up to 77,000 dealership employees. The report also suggested the average price of a new vehicle could climb by $2,750 (£2,126 / £2,431) and this could cause new vehicle sales to plummet by up to 1.3 million units annually.



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Thanks for posting. It will be a mess. For me I would not buy my incoming 720s spider. For the people that would, think about what happens to their value if a new president comes in and drops the tariffs after seeing the negative impact. They’d take a major beating if they ever tried to sell.

Mclaren would become a used car dealership if that.
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The tariffs would be on parts too, so all those american cars built from imported parts would have some portion of the tariffs added.

US car manufacturers would have to raises prices by 15% to cover the imported parts.

Keep in mind all the foreign brands which are built in the USA and the American brands that are manufactured in Canada and Mexico and elsewhere
If all "US" cars have that high a foreign parts content, then I can't see significant tariffs being applied. It sounds like another of Trump's over the top and confrontational negotiation tactics, not that I'd ever accuse him of tact ..
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If all "US" cars have that high a foreign parts content, then I can't see significant tariffs being applied. It sounds like another of Trump's over the top and confrontational negotiation tactics, not that I'd ever accuse him of tact ..
I agree with you 100%, but remember the Mexican government was going to pay for the wall lol. He has the commerce department recommendations, but is going to keep it secret leaving everyone in limbo. At the end of the day it is what it is. My car is scheduled to be built mid April and delivery about one month later so we’ll just wait and see. Life is good and I can’t complain!
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As someone with a new 720s spider on order it will be interesting to see what Trump does with his proposed 25% tariffs on cars and parts coming into the US. Today the commerce department will give their recommendations on whether autos and parts pose a national security issue, which would allow him to impose the tariffs.

For me it would potentially add 90k to my car, which I would not pay. It would really add to the thread of depreciation for the 720. Just imagine paying the tax and the next president comes in and drops the tariffs what a mess for guys buying and paying the increased tax. Just a potential mess.

Hopefully this and the BREXIT stuff works out. If not I see major issues for mclaren here in the US.
As others have said it will raise the price of used cars already here and slow down if not kill new cars coming in. Same thing others are doing to the US. Trump just playing their game.
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Lol. He’s making us great. Just declared a national emergency then goes golfing at his resort.
To be successful you have to learn to work smart not hard. I guess he has figured it out.
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Btw with 20 years in LE his wall will not stop anything! Btw Have you’ve been to Chicago lately!!!
I know some agents that disagree with you 100%. However since you were in LE perhaps you can enlighten us with what you believe will work. I am always willing to listen to the experts.

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Do you know what else would save "American lives"? Free basic healthcare. I'm guessing that you're not willing to pay for that.
How is it free if you are asking him to pay? Free means free - right. Doctors work for free, hospitals, drug companies, etc. Free doesn't mean that hard workers pay for it. Did you do your job for free in LE?
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Not going to get into the wall with you. You don’t have a clue so really a waste of my time.
I have a clue but willing to hear you out. Most just spout off with no real substance - sounds like you might be different which would be interesting to hear.

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The tariffs will hurt everyone who owns a mclaren. The 25% tariffs being proposed also includes auto parts. This will drive up costs on repairing and maintaining used cars. Extended warranties, that are already expensive, will skyrocket. The US market is mclaren’s top selling market in the world. I think if this happens it will have a long term devastating impact here in the US. For guys like me that don’t have a money tree in the back yard it would force me to look elsewhere.

Also remember that the BREXIT issues, that are not resolved, could also end up resulting in added tariffs on that end. This could potentially take the price of a mclaren to a level that just makes no sense for the majority of people.
Anything is possible but highly unlikely. Trump can be "very" annoying but he is no dummy (maybe sometimes). He knows that the threat of these tariffs will provide for a more mutually beneficial scenario. It is all posturing. You saw how it went in Germany?
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How is it free if you are asking him to pay? Free means free - right. Doctors work for free, hospitals, drug companies, etc. Free doesn't mean that hard workers pay for it.
Free at the point of consumption, like free public education. There are lots of services that are paid for by general taxation. IMO, providing adequate food and basic healthcare is something that the state should ensure for everyone, paid for by general taxation. There are too many people starving in the US, and suffering with easily preventable conditions.

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All I know is my new RR shows up this weekend and I will have two depreciating British cars in the garage. If the tariff happens it will turn that tide...bring on tariffs!

For those 'really' worried, don't be--you can't control it. Oh and it won't happen, so you're getting worked up over nothing.

I can wear my MAGA hat driving either one of my new cars laughing all the way...
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Free at the point of consumption, like free public education. There are lots of services that are paid for by general taxation. IMO, providing adequate food and basic healthcare is something that the state should ensure for everyone, paid for by general taxation. There are too many people starving in the US, and suffering with easily preventable conditions.


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Find me the line in the Constitution that guarantees adequate food and basic healthcare. Youre advocating socialism.

Back on subject. The Tarriffs are a negotiating tactic. You negotiate from a position of strength. He'll get the Europeans to make a few concessions and waive the victory flag. MAGA
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Find me the line in the Constitution that guarantees adequate food and basic healthcare. Youre advocating socialism.
I didn't claim that. I'm advocating compassion for your fellow human beings. IMO, how a society treats its less fortunate members says a lot about it.

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Back on subject. The Tarriffs are a negotiating tactic. You negotiate from a position of strength. He'll get the Europeans to make a few concessions and waive the victory flag. MAGA
Agreed. It's the negotiating tactic of a child though. Adults should be able to discuss without making such confrontational and explicit threats.
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