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post #1 of 77 Old 08-31-2016, 05:36 AM Thread Starter
 
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Mercedes-AMG Hypercar

I know I posted this in another thread but could not find it. This is the latest gossip. Pictures are a concept model
from a few years ago.
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/08/30/m...#slide-1581932
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Can't see the report is realistic. The engine mentioned is designed to last approx. 1,000 miles and will be decommissioned in a very short time frame due to F1 reg changes. While AMG have been improving on many qualities of the Mercedes sports car range, a lightweight and nimble car was certainly not on their main agenda for now. Interesting place to watch.
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"The same" engine is a bit of a stretch. It would obviously have to be substantially reworked for consumer application. I mean, I think they still are pre-heating the oil in these before they start them. They might lose some power on the de-tune but they would gain a tremendous amount of power by not being restricted to the rulebook, fuel flow regulations, etc.

If they are actually trying to go for some 1:1 power:weight ratio, and going to make it look like an F1/LMP mashup, the F1 1.6 or some derivation thereof would work very well for packaging and weight purposes, in addition to being a huge marketing gimmick.

It's about time for Mercedes to do a real supercar and not just another SLR-type luxobarge. I'm looking forward to it.
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Highest power and torque density

The C-X75 has a combined power output in excess of 850bhp and 1000Nm of torque, thanks to its state-of-the-art, Formula 1-inspired, 1.6-litre dual-boosted (turbocharged and supercharged) four-cylinder powerplant which generates 502 bhp at 10,000 rpm.


The C-X75 never reached production. BUT anything is possible in this life.

By the way pre-heating the oil gives up to another 5% HP.

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I think I would still prefer all electric with a turbine generator for sustained high power output levels......
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That shape makes me think of the CLK-GTR.

But it could look like a lot of different things.

I think it's safe to say it's going to be exciting... I just hope they build a lot of them
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http://blog.caranddriver.com/mercede...in-efficiency/


Interesting how the numbers have increased over time for this car, the BP23 and the Nebula.

Refining the deal that I mentioned elsewhere. Definitely going to be a black series for us if not for mainstream. Up to 7 -2018 AMG GT C Roadsters with extras bits & pieces. 2018 GT R, a GT race car, Possible other GT's.

Trying to get a few interiors-seats like the Mercedes-Maybach S 650. Also added two of these cars. Limited edition of 300 cars for this Maybach, interested to see how this sorts out. Best quote I heard was from Alejandro about the Maybach seats "looks like they were made from God's asscheeks."


Only 75 units for the US- 10 red, 33/32 in blue and white.

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V6? In a hypercar?
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Xj220?
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F1 uses 1.6 liter V6

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They say that they are using a detuned V6 powertrain from the current Formula 1 program. I can't see how they will see any longevity from that engine without it being rebuilt after xxxx miles.

I know that with the Carrera GT, which is as close as I dare say to a Supercar with a race spec motor, the motor only feels good until it has 5,000 miles on it. After that point, the motor feels noticeably different in terms of the power delivery and the power available.

Even if it is a detuned unit, they are pushing approx 900 horsepower (in qualifying spec) from the lets face it tiny 1.6L V6. There is not that much room in terms of detuning further to create longevity. Also the fact is that 850-1000 horsepower is the aim for this powertrain, and the F1 cars are lasting 1,200 - 1,700 miles in a cycle, which is not in the 900 horsepower, quali trim all the time anyway.

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The engine must not be 1.6 liters. Could be V6/3.0 for example. Plus one, two, or three electric engines ... because KERS must not be as in F1, where the engine is good for 800 miles or so.
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F1 uses 1.6 liter V6
And sounds much worse than when they had V10s.

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Which nobody liked when it was first launched.

I wonder will the use a split turbo like they do in F1 though, with separate turbine and compressor.

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I wonder will the use a split turbo like they do in F1 though, with separate turbine and compressor.
My understanding is that the engine will separate the turbine and compressor. And include MGU-H and MGU-K units.

The HP of F1 engines are constrained by FIA imposed limitations ranging from crankshaft radius to rpm limits. Most idle at 3K rpm. The Mercedes HyperCar will not be constrained by the FIA limitations.


http://www.mercedes-amg-hpp.com/v/about_us/who_we_are/
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