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post #601 of 700 Old 08-30-2016, 08:41 PM
 
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I think I mentioned this on here somewhere already but...

I had a poke around the Ford GT on the concept lawn at Pebble Beach 10 days ago. The build quality of the car looks very good. When I looked through the window (the car was locked but the window was rolled down about an inch) I was really impressed how good all the switches and materials looked inside. The leather work looked great too. It looks like a really nice drivers' car. I can't wait to get a chance to actually sit in one and then drive one!
I spent some time with the silver one at McCall's last year and was lucky to see the door open. The interior was definitely pretty spartan but looked gorgeous, lots of carbon, very well-done.
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Cool. Jealous of those who got allocation. Maybe I'll get lucky in round 2.

Sounded OK. It's a turbo, so it is what it is. Looks are most important to me anyway, and the car looks awesome.
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Interesting article.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...sions-at-once/

I don't however think the suspension is anything quite as novel as R&T are suggesting. Pushrod suspension has been done before (cgt and aventador) and the spring setup is very neat and is what every sports car that is conventionally damped car is crying out for but again it's been used in motorsport for ages and isn't even new for a road car I think assuming the 4.0 RS runs that kind of dual spring at the rear rather than the much simpler helper + main spring that the gt4 uses. Using the ride height drop to fully block the softer spring is a pretty nifty solution on track mode though i have to say.

Would love to see how the completed road car goes anyway, does look to be a very well engineered thing for sure. I'd really love to see what completed customer cars actually weigh in at too given a lot of talk around the light weight......!
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Interesting article.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...sions-at-once/

I don't however think the suspension is anything quite as novel as R&T are suggesting. Pushrod suspension has been done before (cgt and aventador) and the spring setup is very neat and is what every sports car that is conventionally damped car is crying out for but again it's been used in motorsport for ages and isn't even new for a road car I think assuming the 4.0 RS runs that kind of dual spring at the rear rather than the much simpler helper + main spring that the gt4 uses. Using the ride height drop to fully block the softer spring is a pretty nifty solution on track mode though i have to say.

Would love to see how the completed road car goes anyway, does look to be a very well engineered thing for sure. I'd really love to see what completed customer cars actually weigh in at too given a lot of talk around the light weight......!
The article talks a good storey, reads like their are some good thoughts behind this and they have done it their way. Isn't the bone shaking Morgan with pillar suspenders?

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My read is that the springs are a mid mounted torsion bar similar to F1. And the height adjustment uses the steering hydraulics pump to change the car height and aero similar to McLaren. It is also probable that the car uses FRIC (Front to Rear InterConnected suspension)

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http://www.motortrend.com/news/2017-...-goes-216-mph/

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...ght-top-speed/

dry weight 3050 lbs it seems.

""Ford copies its Italian rivals in only quoting a dry weight at this point (around 3,050 pounds), but we’re told “race fluids not including fuel” add 120 pounds. Figuring it’ll carry a minimum of 20 gallons of fuel, add another 120 pounds for a “fully wet” curb weight estimate of 3,300 pounds. ""

The 'well below 3000lbs curb' claims stated earlier on the thread always seemed awfully optimistic and very hard to believe for a fully kitted out road car imo.

Back on page 22 I think 6thE might have got it pretty much bang on all that time ago (nov 2015)....!

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I think the ford will be 3300 lbs curb. All fluids topped up.

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Off hand, anyone know what is ACTUAL weight of 650s and 675LT wet?
720S supposed to be about 40lbs lighter than 650s

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Off hand, anyone know what is ACTUAL weight of 650s and 675LT wet?
720S supposed to be about 40lbs lighter than 650s
Mcdc here weighed his car (675) in at 1385kg I believe some time previous fully fuelled. I think a few others have also weighed their 675s in at around ~1390-1400kg dependent on spec. a 650 I'd expect to be 1460-1470kg, again somewhat spec dependent based on what my car (12c) weighed. With bucket seats it should be 1450kg or less I'd expect.
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Off hand, anyone know what is ACTUAL weight of 650s and 675LT wet?
720S supposed to be about 40lbs lighter than 650s
Sport Auto France weighed a 675LT at 1359kg.
http://www.germancarforum.com/attach...-5-jpg.387865/

Auto Bild weighed a 12C at 1462kg
http://www.dragtimes.ru/d/story/f4/3...fc32c27a48.png

I think Auto Bild also weighed a 650S at 143Xkg from memory but I can't find the scan.

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This is actually very disappointing considering all the hype that went into saying this car was going to have the best power to weight ratio in the world. The MP4-12C has a better power to weight ratio! The 12C coupe weighs 2945 in base form and 2868 lbs with all the lightweight options and tires which cuts 77 lbs. Look at the math below...
http://www.preowned.mclaren.com/docs...%20Spec_V6.pdf

MP4-12C:
Fuel: 123 lbs
Oil (engine/tranny/clutch): 60 lbs
Coolant/washer (24 liters): 60 lbs
Brake/hydro/etc: 50 lbs
Total fluids: 293 lbs
Dry weight: 2868lbs (with lightweight options)
Curb weight: 3161 lbs
Dry Power to weight ratio: 4.66

Ford GT:
Fluids est: 274 lbs
Dry weight: 3054 lbs
Curb weight: 3328 lbs
Dry Power to weight ratio: 4.72
The Ford GT numbers are disappointing. Doesn't even match a 6 year old car that cost 2/3rd the price new. I understand the active aero on the GT is superior, but Ford is not fooling me by releasing controlled numbers using controlled testing on a controlled track that nobody has heard of in the middle of Nowhereville Canada. Take it to VIR, the Ring, anywhere that real world numbers can be compared with. Ferrari can get away with posting bogus private track times because they are Ferrari, but Ford is not a pedigree supercar company so they need to show some real numbers. Where are the 1/4 mile times, 0-60, the basics? The fact is, I don't think it can beat the current P11 platform on or off the track, let alone the P14.
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Off hand, anyone know what is ACTUAL weight of 650s and 675LT wet?
720S supposed to be about 40lbs lighter than 650s
40kg was the figure I think. I expect 138Xkg kerb for the P14.
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Two areas where the GT will always out-perform the McLaren (speaking from personal experience); residual value and reliability!
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Two areas where the GT will always out-perform the McLaren (speaking from personal experience); residual value and reliability!
Looking at the spec sheet from the R&T article, the claimed approach angle is really impressive, ~9.something off lift, and ~13 degrees on lift.

Just looking at the car visually I had thought it would be really tough to drive in the city, but that's quite good.

[ To tie that to the quote, its also much better than the 650S / 675LT, and on par with the 12C ]
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