McLaren P1 - Mega Mac-F1 Successor

MPB · 02-12-2013, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesP

One thing that was telling, it's 6 seconds faster than a GT3 12c round the Catalunya racetrack !!

MitchF1GTR · 02-12-2013, 09:53 PM

~1:45 is pretty damn quick.

Napolis · 02-12-2013, 10:01 PM

When I visited them I mentioned that I think the sun roof could use the kind of see through sunscreen we laminated to P 4/5's glass and sent them a sample.

Hopefully they incorporate that into customer cars.

Napolis · 02-12-2013, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesP

It's pretty much a finished car. You can sit in it, see the dash, everything, the rear is as per the concept in terms of lights. The rear end uses the same hex mesh as per a 12cs side intakes etc.

The carbon interior looks superb, very simple and focused, floor is carbon as was just about everything else! Different to Paris car. Flaps in roof for filler and electric plug.

One thing that was telling, it's 6 seconds faster than a GT3 12c round the Catalunya racetrack !!

If that time is true it will be close to our 6:51 at the Ring...

My guess of 6:55 won't have been too bad.

http://www.creventic.com/uploads/fil...After_Race.PDF

DLC · 02-12-2013, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Napolis

If that time is true it will be close to our 6:51 at the Ring...

My guess of 6:55 won't have been too bad.

http://www.creventic.com/uploads/fil...After_Race.PDF

6:50 at Nurburgring on street tires would be quite a statement indeed.

Hopefully your spot on Jim.

Whoopsy · 02-12-2013, 11:03 PM

Reduced to the simplest form, the P1 to the 12C is what a a 911 Turbo S to a Carrera 4. Much improved but same origin, the DNA is quite visible.

For a 12C owner, will the P1 be an addition or a replacement? At this moment my answer will be a replacement. In my eyes they are 2 of the same, doors opens the same way and even teh opening is just about the same, , same 2 seater, even the flying bridge on the center console is almost the same, not to mention the nav system.

I might change my mind later when I do see it in person, it might wow me over.

But had it been more unique, like having F1's 3 seat configuration, a completely different engine, etc then it would have been a no brainer to be an addition.

But I do like the simple focus interior, much much better than the kit-car-ish of Pagani, feels like someone wants to bling out the interior just for the sake of bling. I guess the kitcar interior fits the kit car company perfectly. And I do mean that. Pagani uses a production AMG engine, not their own engine, that means it's not a manufacturer but a kit car company that throw bodyparts on a outsourced engine.

MitchF1GTR · 02-12-2013, 11:04 PM

I gather McLaren has understated how much downforce the P1 actually produces.

Whoopsy, Ricardo produces the M838T McLaren uses. I guess they're a kit car company too?

Napolis · 02-12-2013, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MitchF1GTR

I gather McLaren has understated how much downforce the P1 actually produces.

If that time is true the P1 is STUNNING FAST.

DLC · 02-12-2013, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Napolis

When I visited them I mentioned that I think the sun roof could use the kind of see through sunscreen we laminated to P 4/5's glass and sent them a sample.

Hopefully they incorporate that into customer cars.

Jim: Is the sun roof constructed out of a lexan type material?

Napolis · 02-12-2013, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DLC

Jim: Is the sun roof constructed out of a lexan type material?

I think on Road cars it has to be glass.

Peloton25 · 02-12-2013, 11:18 PM

Quite a different market segment, but the most recent version of the Toyota Celica used a lexan sunroof from its introduction up to the 2003 model year, only replacing it with glass due to owner's complaints about scratching on the outside.

I think the P1 is using glass all the way around, and on top though.

>8^)
ER

DLC · 02-12-2013, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Peloton25

Quite a different market segment, but the most recent version of the Toyota Celica used a lexan sunroof from its introduction up to the 2003 model year, only replacing it with glass due to owner's complaints about scratching on the outside.

I think the P1 is using glass all the way around, and on top though.

>8^)
ER

They have gone to great lengths to keep P1 on a diet. It just seems odd that they would select glass in an area of the car that should be the lightest. I believe lexan is an acceptable material in the US market.

Whoopsy · 02-12-2013, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MitchF1GTR

I gather McLaren has understated how much downforce the P1 actually produces.

Whoopsy, Ricardo produces the M838T McLaren uses. I guess they're a kit car company too?

BIG BIG difference.

The V12 in F1 is made by BMW especially FOR the F1

The V8 in 12C is made by Ricardo especially FOR the 12C.

No other cars in the world share those engines.

Pagani just buy the regular production AMG V12 that's in every Mercedes 65s. Might be retuned but it's still the same engine.

It's the difference between having Picasso paint a special picture for you or buying a Picasso draft off the shelf and fill in the color by someone else.

MitchF1GTR · 02-12-2013, 11:42 PM

The Zonda engine iirc was off the shelf but I believe the Huayra engine is bespoke to the Huayra.

Peloton25 · 02-12-2013, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MitchF1GTR

The Zonda engine iirc was off the shelf but I believe the Huayra engine is bespoke to the Huayra.

I think you're correct - Pagani certainly refer to it as a bespoke lump on their website:

http://www.pagani.com/huayra/partners/mercedes_amg.aspx

In any event, if there are shared components it is hardly lifted direct from a MBZ and dropped into the Pagani.

>8^)
ER

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02-12-2013, 09:53 PM	#2717
MitchF1GTR Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Queensland Australia. Posts: 454	~1:45 is pretty damn quick.

02-12-2013, 10:01 PM	#2718
Napolis Honorary Member InnerCircle Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 180	When I visited them I mentioned that I think the sun roof could use the kind of see through sunscreen we laminated to P 4/5's glass and sent them a sample. Hopefully they incorporate that into customer cars.

02-12-2013, 11:03 PM	#2721
Whoopsy InnerCircle Owner Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 111	Reduced to the simplest form, the P1 to the 12C is what a a 911 Turbo S to a Carrera 4. Much improved but same origin, the DNA is quite visible. For a 12C owner, will the P1 be an addition or a replacement? At this moment my answer will be a replacement. In my eyes they are 2 of the same, doors opens the same way and even teh opening is just about the same, , same 2 seater, even the flying bridge on the center console is almost the same, not to mention the nav system. I might change my mind later when I do see it in person, it might wow me over. But had it been more unique, like having F1's 3 seat configuration, a completely different engine, etc then it would have been a no brainer to be an addition. But I do like the simple focus interior, much much better than the kit-car-ish of Pagani, feels like someone wants to bling out the interior just for the sake of bling. I guess the kitcar interior fits the kit car company perfectly. And I do mean that. Pagani uses a production AMG engine, not their own engine, that means it's not a manufacturer but a kit car company that throw bodyparts on a outsourced engine.

02-12-2013, 11:04 PM	#2722
MitchF1GTR Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Queensland Australia. Posts: 454	I gather McLaren has understated how much downforce the P1 actually produces. Whoopsy, Ricardo produces the M838T McLaren uses. I guess they're a kit car company too?

02-12-2013, 11:18 PM	#2726
Peloton25 McLaren Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: California, USA Posts: 1,399 Name: Erik	Quite a different market segment, but the most recent version of the Toyota Celica used a lexan sunroof from its introduction up to the 2003 model year, only replacing it with glass due to owner's complaints about scratching on the outside. I think the P1 is using glass all the way around, and on top though. >8^) ER

02-12-2013, 11:42 PM	#2729
MitchF1GTR Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Queensland Australia. Posts: 454	The Zonda engine iirc was off the shelf but I believe the Huayra engine is bespoke to the Huayra.