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post #1 of 423 Old 11-08-2016, 04:47 AM Thread Starter
 
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Presidential Election

I know we are not suppose to post political stuff but dam with Clinton vs Trump how can this be avoided. I'm leaving in the morning so please let me know when and if the coast is clear to return from Brasil..


On one hand Clinton who clearly the law was broken by her people/her and not to mention the possible racketeering that took place with donations with Bill's foundation and no given notice as required to the state department. And then there's Trump. I use to stick up for him years ago every time someone called him an a@@hole. Well people need to realize if things don't change that at some theoretical point the US economy will not be able to make a comeback. It will just be a stall to an eventual end at the best. I can say a few things about what I hear about Trump and how he handles contractors but business tactics are one thing and breaking the law is another. Just think about your vote and what it will mean for the next 4 years. Don't be a knucklehead vote one way or the other but vote.
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I voted two weeks ago, absentee ballot, turned off the news shows, stopped listening to talk radio, limited my internet access to a few sites, Mclarenlife included and could not be happier. In fact, I am in Singapore and will be flying back on election day so won't know the results until I land at LAX on Wednesday, unless the pilot spoils the fun. But to be honest, the part I'll miss will be watching the political pundits heads explode...both sides are so invested in an outcome, it will be epic.

I'm not saying who I voted for, but I definitely voted against a candidate, not for. And I agree, America needs a big awakening before it's too late.

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I voted two weeks ago, absentee ballot, turned off the news shows, stopped listening to talk radio, limited my internet access to a few sites, Mclarenlife included and could not be happier. In fact, I am in Singapore and will be flying back on election day so won't know the results until I land at LAX on Wednesday, unless the pilot spoils the fun. But to be honest, the part I'll miss will be watching the political pundits heads explode...both sides are so invested in an outcome, it will be epic.

I'm not saying who I voted for, but I definitely voted against a candidate, not for. And I agree, America needs a big awakening before it's too late.

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Chicken - I'll take the bait I'm from CA and voted Trump - This country doesn't have the time to get a big awakening delivered from Liarly.
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As an outsider (living outside the US) neither candidate is any good and Trump especially would never get close to a chance of running for a position of power anywhere but the good ol USA. Scary that someone who has no concept of the destructive power of a nuclear weapon and is so easily provoked on twitter of all places is in the running to have access to the most dangerous weapons on the planet.

Planning on moving to the US in about 5 years, personally I'm hoping if Trump gets in he doesn't get 4 more years....
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This is my exit poll. I'm voting for Trump. Don't like him but like her, her family and her past far less.

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Iím a Brit whoís been living in the USA, on and off, for the last 12 years and can honestly say that Iím happy that I canít vote in this election (not a US citizen). Iíd imagine that other than the hard-liners most people will not be voting for a candidate but rather against the one they dislike the most.
Donít get me wrong Iím invested in this election as Iíll be here for the rest of my days and my kids will be going to college here and then living their lives here too. It just seems almost embarrassing that this great country has ended up with two candidates that make it really hard for most people to like and want them to have the most important job in the land.
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With all due respect, I love how the rest of the world likes to categorize this election "only in America" do I need to bring up such bastions of democracy as:

Fistfights in parliaments
Political debates that end in violence
Porn stars running for national office
Presidents with known and loved mistresses
Decorum prohibits my even describing some political posters in stoic Deutschland.

So those that live in glass houses should dress in the basement.

We only have 240 years at this whole self governance thing so we're relative amateurs. European democracy has us beat by a long shot when it comes to this shit. This is a human issue that knows no national boundaries.
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People lost all elections the day they allowed corporate money funding their legislators. When all is said and done and looking back, one could argue that it would only take "positioning a Trump" to get a "Hillary" elected.
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People lost all elections the day they allowed corporate money funding their legislators. When all is said and done and looking back, one could argue that it would only take "positioning a Trump" to get a "Hillary" elected.


Couldn't agree more. A friend suggested that our legislators should wear jackets like NASCAR racers with the corporate logos of their contributors.

That this election is even close could only have happened at this instant with these players. Either one in a vacuum would be unelectable. I was going to make plastic clothes pins, one side red, one side blue with "Election 2016" on them. Ostensibly to wear on your nose during the casting of your vote.

Regardless, I can't in good conscience not cast a vote against a criminal enterprise. I fully understand those that can as along as they understand me. We need a reset.

What a gherkin we are in.
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Dear American Electorate,

Please make the following two requirements a litmus test for your vote-

(1) The person running will not accept money from anyone and
(2) the person running will make their top domestic priority making money (in all its forms) in politics illegal.

Yes, it will be hard. Yes, the people we hire will make mistakes and corrections will be needed. Vested interests are a maze and it will take some time to unwind it. Lastly, yes, it really can be done. We own this, are responsible for it being broken and can fix it.

Close your eyes and imagine waking with 80% of the electorate openly telling pollsters and the media of the above requirement. Good people from the left, right and center would return to politics out of a sense of public service. We keep the diversity of choice while removing the influence of money.

Please!
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Dear American Electorate,

Please make the following two requirements a litmus test for your vote-

(1) The person running will not accept money from anyone and
(2) the person running will make their top domestic priority making money (in all its forms) in politics illegal.

Yes, it will be hard. Yes, the people we hire will make mistakes and corrections will be needed. Vested interests are a maze and it will take some time to unwind it. Lastly, yes, it really can be done. We own this, are responsible for it being broken and can fix it.

Close your eyes and imagine waking with 80% of the electorate openly telling pollsters and the media of the above requirement. Good people from the left, right and center would return to politics out of a sense of public service. We keep the diversity of choice while removing the influence of money.

Please!


Add two consecutive terms as a limit for life and I'm there with you. The reason that some one like <fill in the blank> that started their public life with a net worth of under 100k and after twenty years of holding the same senate seat is now worth 100M doesn't happen in two terms.
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Couldn't agree more. A friend suggested that our legislators should wear jackets like NASCAR racers with the corporate logos of their contributors.

That this election is even close could only have happened at this instant with these players. Either one in a vacuum would be unelectable. I was going to make plastic clothes pins, one side red, one side blue with "Election 2016" on them. Ostensibly to wear on your nose during the casting of your vote.

Regardless, I can't in good conscience not cast a vote against a criminal enterprise. I fully understand those that can as along as they understand me. We need a reset.

What a gherkin we are in.
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Dear American Electorate,

Please make the following two requirements a litmus test for your vote-

(1) The person running will not accept money from anyone and
(2) the person running will make their top domestic priority making money (in all its forms) in politics illegal.

Yes, it will be hard. Yes, the people we hire will make mistakes and corrections will be needed. Vested interests are a maze and it will take some time to unwind it. Lastly, yes, it really can be done. We own this, are responsible for it being broken and can fix it.

Close your eyes and imagine waking with 80% of the electorate openly telling pollsters and the media of the above requirement. Good people from the left, right and center would return to politics out of a sense of public service. We keep the diversity of choice while removing the influence of money.

Please!
You can make all the rules you want to try prevent future problems, the founding fathers thought they did that with the constitution and look where we are today. I'm embarrassed by my country.

Every 'patriotic' holiday, my neighborhood plants an american flag in everyone's yard. I always forget about it and then when I walk out of my house there it is. Well, this morning, I removed that flag.

I wish I could say there was something to hope for to bring about meaningful change but there isn't. The machine is too big. The only this that's going to flip this boat around is an absolute implosion.
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If anything came out of this election it is ; The FBI is corrupt, so I assume all forms of our GOV is corrupt.
Nothing new, but it is now confirmed, we are a Banana Republic.
Now, where do I move my family??
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If I spill sugar on my counter, I get roaches.
If I do not clean it up, I get more roaches.
If I add to the mess, the roaches start showing up in the daytime (sunlight).

Remove the sugar. Its not a partisan issue and it is absolutely within our control.
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I shot my tv off yesterday and I'm watching a movie. While working a bit. Let them hash it out and I'll wake up to the new/old world.

My 12 year old told me a joke...

Clinton and Trump are in a fatal airplane crash. Who survives?

Answer: America.
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